Posts by Pavlov

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bank/credit-card accespoint in JW-convensionhall

by Ozner in

the 2 jw convension-halls in the netherlands have now a bank/credit-card accespoint to give contribution to the wts with your bank or creditcards.

do you know this happens in other country's?

it is really strange to see that brs&srs are giving donations with their visa & mastercards.

Pavlov

Hello Branda,

The great multitude is growing. How is live? Do you chat a lot on this site?

David

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Financial information for common brothers and sisters

by Pavlov in

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i wonder if someone experianced the same as i did.

a few years ago i tried to get financial and some organisational information of the wtbts.

i thought: of course there must be something of that kind, it will be asked dozens of times by journalists and publishers.

I wonder if someone experianced the same as I did. A few years ago I tried to get financial and some organisational information of the WTBTS. I thought: of course there must be something of that kind, it will be asked dozens of times by journalists and publishers.

So, in a letter to our Dutch branche in Emmen I told (by the way in a respectable and not agressive manner) I had donated all my live to the WTBTS and it would be in my opinion just to ask my branche to give me the yearfigures of last year. And because every year the board of the WTBTS is been summit, I would also like to get information like: where I could read the meeting minutes, how these members are chosen or how could someone or I myself been chosen as a member of this board. Of course I was very naive and thought answers to these questions were gladly given.

But to my disappointment some weeks after sending the letter I was summoned to come in the Sweating-room after the meeting to discuss the matter. The question was if it was correct I had asked the WTBTS some questions about finance and organisation. "Of course" I said to the three elders confronting me. "If you like, I will give you a copy of the letter I have send". Well, the matter was, the elders received a letter of the branche, ordering them to discuss with me "firm but kindly" about the good manner our Organisation functioned. But, so was told in the letter, they were prohibited to show me the letter the branche had send to them. In stead of that, they decided to read it aloud. The letter told that if they liked, they could point me to the yearfigures given each year in the january issue of the Watchtower (the figure of money spend to missionary activities) or show me the congregation administration. Furthermore they could show me some issues of the Watchtower wherein the Organisation was discussed. These information "must be enough to inform common brothers and sisters" (I quote litterally, it is marked in my memory). That was that. I was told to be an "common brother", and thats gives me no rights at all.

You will understand, from that moment on I never again donated anything in the conventionhall or to the WTBTS. But now I wonder if some other "common brother or sister" (I understand every brother and sister is "common" in the eyes of the Watchtowersociety) has tried the same as I did and what the response of the WTBTS was.

David Post

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bank/credit-card accespoint in JW-convensionhall

by Ozner in

the 2 jw convension-halls in the netherlands have now a bank/credit-card accespoint to give contribution to the wts with your bank or creditcards.

do you know this happens in other country's?

it is really strange to see that brs&srs are giving donations with their visa & mastercards.

Pavlov

Hello Andy,

The Dutch rule the world.

David

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bank/credit-card accespoint in JW-convensionhall

by Ozner in

the 2 jw convension-halls in the netherlands have now a bank/credit-card accespoint to give contribution to the wts with your bank or creditcards.

do you know this happens in other country's?

it is really strange to see that brs&srs are giving donations with their visa & mastercards.

Pavlov

Hi wizzard of Oz,

I think I know who you are. A reply to earlier mail is in you NS-mailbox. I was on a littel holiday so I couldn't respond earlier. And if you like you can mail me on my home-account.

David

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bank/credit-card accespoint in JW-convensionhall

by Ozner in

the 2 jw convension-halls in the netherlands have now a bank/credit-card accespoint to give contribution to the wts with your bank or creditcards.

do you know this happens in other country's?

it is really strange to see that brs&srs are giving donations with their visa & mastercards.

Pavlov

How exciting, we are acquainted to each other! I do not have the slightest idea who I am mailing to. So feel free to expose your selves.

I'm sorry to hear you and your family are so much upset about these creditcard acces-points in conventionhalls. You wrote it's a step too far for your relatives (and for you?). This means other steps were upsetting, but they were not as shocking as this one? Am I right?

What my opinion is about these paying-points? It fits in the commercial attitude the WTBTS-organisation is developing. If I try to follow this kind of thinking the pay-automats seem not odd to me. The costs of changing large amounts of small copures / coins at the bank must be very high, and as for as I know, they have risen by introducing the Euro in our country. Furthermore the safety-regulations of the Dutch government are very strict. Boxes with a large amount of money in it include by themselves a certain risk. So introducing the automats can be a ordinairy weighing of costs and benefits. Giving regulations how to use the automats (do not donate 1700 but 17.00, or things like that) is in a very WTBTS-like approach: 'nothing may been leave to change - everything must been regulated'.

However I can understand it must be somewhat disturbing for loyal witnesses to see in their own circules the things they condemn in other churches. It could help if Jehovah Witnesses begin to accept they are, at least in organisational matters and maybe more, a church like every other churches. Maybe this attitude makes novellities like creditcard acces-point easylier to accept. An altered standpoint in the world of churches makes it for the Jehovah's Witnesse also possible to learn from mistakes in their own past.

David Post

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bank/credit-card accespoint in JW-convensionhall

by Ozner in

the 2 jw convension-halls in the netherlands have now a bank/credit-card accespoint to give contribution to the wts with your bank or creditcards.

do you know this happens in other country's?

it is really strange to see that brs&srs are giving donations with their visa & mastercards.

Pavlov

Hello Ozner, Dag Ozner (we blijven lekker in Nederland met de reacties),

Somewhat related to you point: some years ago I tried to get financial and some organisational information of the WTBTS. Of course there must be something of that kind.

So, in a letter to our Dutch branche in Emmen I told (by the way in a respectable and not agressive manner) I had donated all my live to the WTBTS and it would be in my opinion just to ask my branche to give me the yearfigures of last year. And because every year the board of the WTBTS is been summit, I would also like to get information like: where I could read the meeting minutes, how these members are chosen or how I could been chosen myself as a member of this board. Of course I was very naive and thought answers to these questions were gladly given.

But to my disappointment some weeks after sending the letter I was summoned to come in the Sweating-room after the meeting to discuss the matter, if it was correct that I had asked the WTBTS some questions about finance and organisation. "Of course" I said to the three Elders confronting me. "If you like, I will give you a copy of the letter I have send". Well, the matter was, the elders received a letter of the branche, ordering them to discuss with me "firm but kindly" about the good manner our Organisation functioned. But, they were prohibited to show me the letter the branche had send to them. If they liked, they could point me to the yearfigures given each year in the january issue of the Watchtower (the figure of money spend to missionary activities) or show me the congregation administration. That was that.

So you will understand, from that moment on I never again donated anything in the conventionhall or to the WTBTS.

Greetings,

David Post