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  No Thanksgiving, Christmas, or Easter ! (Help) ?

  by hubert in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, the wife and i got the word last night while talking with our j.w.

  bible study daughter.

  she won't be coming over for the annual meal(s) on thanksgiving, christmas, easter, and whatever else she can think of that are holidays.

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  Jez <> Thanks for the reminder about God's name. That's a good point.

  Bernie 45<> Welcome to the forum.

  Hubert
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  No Thanksgiving, Christmas, or Easter ! (Help) ?

  by hubert in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, the wife and i got the word last night while talking with our j.w.

  bible study daughter.

  she won't be coming over for the annual meal(s) on thanksgiving, christmas, easter, and whatever else she can think of that are holidays.

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  Mulan> "Divine Name Brochure"

  Thanks, Mulan, How can I get a copy of that brochure, or can anyone link it to me? Is it an old item or new?

  I'm pretty sure I discussed how the W.T. put Yaweh in the New Testament a while back, when I had my 2 hour talk with her and her husband, but it didn't seem to affect her much. I didn't have any material to back up my statement, too, I think.

  I'm thinking of looking more at the U.N.issue, and see if that has any effect on them. I know I have to do it gradually. I can't flood them with info. I know it would just scare them away.

  Thanks, Mulan...Hubert
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  No Thanksgiving, Christmas, or Easter ! (Help) ?

  by hubert in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, the wife and i got the word last night while talking with our j.w.

  bible study daughter.

  she won't be coming over for the annual meal(s) on thanksgiving, christmas, easter, and whatever else she can think of that are holidays.

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  Well, the wife and I got the word last night while talking with our J.W. Bible study daughter. She won't be coming over for the annual meal(s) on Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, and whatever else she can think of that are holidays. She says it's because of the "origins". (At this time, I had to get my wife down from the ceiling).

  I had to calm my wife down some, but I surprisingly stayed pretty calm, because I knew that that was coming, sooner, if not later. So I said, "That's why you should still come. There's nothing wrong with celebrating Thanksgiving." I told her to show me in the Bible where it says you can't celebrate Thanksgiving. She didn't respond to that, only changed the subject.

  She brought up the subject of why don't other religions use the "real name" of God, Yaweh?

  I said it's not important what He is called, it's more important THAT He is called. She said wouldn't you rather be called by your real name? I said, I've been called lots of names, and answer to most of them, and it doesn't matter to me which name is used. It's not a big deal. (But, the W.T. makes it a big deal, just to get the converts riled up). It's really trivial to me, but they make a big issue of it.

  We talked about shunning, too. I didn't mention this forum, because I don't want her to know I am in it yet. Because if she knows I get info from this, she probably won't listen to anything I say to her regarding my research on the Watchtower. I will eventually, I believe, but ...What's that saying?...... Food at the proper time? .....That's it. (duh).

  She says she doesn't believe any of the shunning stuff. I gave her scenarios to think about, and she just jumped over them and onto other subjects.

  She repeated her stand and said that she just wants to learn to read the Bible. I said, then why not use another Bible other than the NWT? She also mentioned that I never wanted her to read the Bible. I said, "That's not true! Remember when you started to get involved with the j.w.'s, I even bought you a Baptist Bible for you to read? (and I'm not even a Baptist) So, she couldn't deny that. She did say she also has the KJV, and compares scriptures with the NWT.

  So, I said, "Look up some of the Jesus' verses in the new Testament, in the KJV and NWT, and compare them, and see how the W.T. removed "Blessed" and "Grace" from Jesus' verses in the NWT, in order for Him to look like a good "man", and not God.

  we discussed other things, too, and I can say, thanks to what I've been learning from you people here, I was able to keep up with the debate pretty well. I said to her that I don't think she has been researching the W.T., like she said she would and I told her I want to continue sending her info as I see fit in e-mail, for her to research it, and I expect a reply each time. She grudgingly said she would do it. I said I wouldn't overload her with stuff, just sometimes help her to do some research. (Whether or not she will, time will tell). So that about covers our talk. What I need now is to find answers to her question on the use of God's real name, because that is the first thing she throws in our face, and I don't know what really to answer to that. Can anyone help with this? .Any other advice is sincerely welcome, also.

  Thanks, friends..... Hubert
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  VICTORY FOR MY CHILDREN OVER THE JW'S!

  by Corvin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  victory!

  the court appointed attorney will be recommending to the judge the following at the hearing tomorrow morning.

  unsupervised visits with mom at the children?s request only, away from her home and away from stepfather.

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  RIGHT ON, CORVIN !!

  Hubert
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  Christ returned "invisibly" in 1914. ........ What proof?

  by hubert in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower says christ returned in 1914, but "invisibly".

  if so, how do they know he returned?

  did christ leave them a note?.

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  Maybe someday the Watchtower organization will become invisible.
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  "Live life each day to the fullest" - What does it mean to you?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  first off...ss inspired me to write this.

  i don't think he'll mind me saying this cuz i'm patting him on the back for it.. in a pm he said " live life each day to the fullest...what do ya thing gumby"?.

  i didn't know how to answer him.

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  It means to "top off my mug".
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  Christ returned "invisibly" in 1914. ........ What proof?

  by hubert in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower says christ returned in 1914, but "invisibly".

  if so, how do they know he returned?

  did christ leave them a note?.

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  The Watchtower says Christ returned in 1914, but "invisibly". If so, how do they know He returned?

  Did Christ leave them a note?

  Did the Elders have "special" glasses to see Him?

  What kind of proof do they offer to substantiate this claim?

  Hubert
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  What is the J.W. suicide rate?

  by hubert in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i'm wondering if there is a study or file on the rate of suicides or attempted suicides in the watchtower org.

  per 1,000 members, or percentage, or whatever.

  what about compared to other religions, too?

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  Thanks for the links, jgnat. I read them.

  Hubert
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  Needing peace and friendship

  by snbdye2000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well the title of my subject seems a bit pathetic, but i truly am in need of friendship.

  my whole life and marriage have been turned upside down with my husband "studying" with a jehovah's witness.

  he hasnt done a lot of meeting with this man, but he does believe all their doctrine.

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  hubert

  So sad to hear you are going through this. I don't have as bad a situation as you do. I have a daughter who's studying because of her aunt who is a j.w. who influenced her, and it is tough for my wife and I to handle, too. But, there are so many in this forum that are in the same predicament as you are. You are not alone, believe me.

  I know you said you don't need any info or advice, but that's all I can give you, as little as it is, so I'd still like to put my two cents in, anyway.

  If you need to find material, such as.... "You can live forever in paradise on earth" book, and many others written by the Watchtower, try good used book stores, or on line, go to "abebooks" and search in there.

  I use their own Watchtower material to work on my daughter and her husband, because I'm not that versed in Bible scripture. If you need any advice in that line of proof, maybe I can help you some. Send me a "p.m." (personal message) and I'll try to help any way I can. Start showing your daughter the differences between the teachings of the Watchtower and your religion right now, before your husband gets her too interested in the cult.

  Good luck to you and your family. I sincerely hope you can wake your husband up to this cult. It's been done before, so it's not a lost cause yet. Don't give up. I'm not. (Welcome to the board).

  Sincerely, Hubert
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  What is the J.W. suicide rate?

  by hubert in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i'm wondering if there is a study or file on the rate of suicides or attempted suicides in the watchtower org.

  per 1,000 members, or percentage, or whatever.

  what about compared to other religions, too?

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  Thanks, jgnat, I'd like to see that one, too.