Outlaw,
Good point about fading as a way of getting round the DF stigma. If used properly, fading may be a more subtle way of wreaking havoc in your congo.
Gary,
I must admit I only began to fully understand the "active" type of apostates recently. Thanks to stories like yours.
Cheers,
Pole
Posts by Pole
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Getting fed up with fading
by Pole inok, so here is my story in put a nutshell: .
1. i first had "nagging doubts" about the borg some three years ago (after 6 years of being a faithful witness).
2. i stopped avoiding "apostate" internet sites some 1.5 years ago, which really helped me confirm my doubts.
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Pole
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November 25th 1988 "Earthquake"
by JH in16 years ago today, an earthquake of 6.2 shook a good region of quebec and eastern ontario.
i was an active jw then.
i was baptized just a few months earlier.
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Pole
Earlier this year, there was a little earthquake (they're not even sure if it was an earthquake) here in Poland. Very exceptional. And from what I've heard, it was brought up by some witnesses in private
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so who does this forum represent now?
by groovycat. inthis may seem a bit audacious for a newbie, but who is this forum for and has it diversified from its original conception?
the reason i ask: i was reading through some of the early posts on the forum and it seemed pro jehovahs witness, almost like a resource for active jws to use, however, the gist i get now is it is anti jw and pro apostate.
or maybe i have cherry picked the wrong topics?
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Pole
From what I have seen and read, this site is mainly about having open discussions about JW-related (and other) topics. Now, the problem is you can't be pro-witness and intellectually honest at the same time. Not for a long time, at least. It's IMPOSSIBLE. That's why very few properly conditioned, stereotypical witnesses contribute to this site. They wouldn't even read anything posted here if they were to follow their doctrine. You know the directions: "If you want to use Internet resources about the WTS, go to www.watchtower.org"
On the other hand, though it's a great place for mental healing and recovery for many witnesses who are more or less ready to face the truth about the TRUTH_TM.
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Getting fed up with fading
by Pole inok, so here is my story in put a nutshell: .
1. i first had "nagging doubts" about the borg some three years ago (after 6 years of being a faithful witness).
2. i stopped avoiding "apostate" internet sites some 1.5 years ago, which really helped me confirm my doubts.
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Pole
gitasatsangha,
At this stage I'm ready to be DA-ed DF-ed or D-whatever too if that has to part of the game. It will be fun if nothing else:)). -
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THE WATCHTOWER HOW LONG DO YOU GIVE IT ????????????
by vitty innow wishful thinking is different from the facts, but in our age of technology, which is pretty new!.
how long do you think the wts got before the "truth" is out ?
( i hope its soon).
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Pole
Also, WTS is different form many other religions, because it has set a serious doctrinal trap for itself. The monopoly on power and theological interpretation the FDS class has emphasised for so long now has turned out to be a shot in the foot. THe big greedy snake is eating its own tail now. The Brooklyn gerontocrats have only managed to transfer the corporate power but not the right to exegesis.
So the organization is on the brink of a serious shake-up. And if you add up other factors, such as rapid information exchange, general disillusionment among witnesses, poor statistics and a few recent scandals...
In a few years time a lot of JWs may wake up and say "Hey, so who is the FDS class now?" "And why exactly are some of the other sheep more equal than some other sheep of the other sheep?".
Of course, those who are braindead anyway will believe anything they are told. But those who want an excuse will get a very good one. Think how much of an excuse to slow down or fade the UN scandal was for many dubs. Think how much of an excuse the disappearing of the FDS may be. -
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Getting fed up with fading
by Pole inok, so here is my story in put a nutshell: .
1. i first had "nagging doubts" about the borg some three years ago (after 6 years of being a faithful witness).
2. i stopped avoiding "apostate" internet sites some 1.5 years ago, which really helped me confirm my doubts.
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Pole
Gary,
As you said - some of your witness relatives were like that. And from what you say it seem s like they fully deserved your reaction. It's amazing how similar JWism is around the world.
Actually when I decided to have an honest discussion with my witness mother and wife I was perfectly ready to do pretty much the same thing you did if they shunned me. The thing is they didn't. They were the only reason why I decided to play the fading game for a few months. And as I see it now - I think it did work for me. I may have been manipulative, or not entirely honest from the start, but when I tell them now how I tried to manipulate them they only have a good laugh about it.
willyoman,
You mentioned interests, friends and family. I had first developed interests (a few years ago actually), then I made great "worldy" friends. Then I did some research. Then I knew for sure that the WTS doctrine is a sham. It took me a few years altogether to complete the mental healing process. Then I thought how to make some of my family members go through the same process in a few months. And yes: I am "pretty much there". Life is good :).
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- .- .- .- .- .- .- . Why is the human mind so dishonest?
by frankiespeakin inour brains makes us superior to the rest of animal life on earth,,but only in a limited sense.. .
with our minds we can think, plan, work out problems and such,, but would not the mind be a much more useful tool if it could just be honest?
why if our brains are so developed,,why is it we can't be honest with ourselves?
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Pole
Honesty is unnatural.
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tell me about yourself
by bagpuss in.
in a recent thread someone said that bagpuss was a good name but didn't know what it meant.. bagpuss was a character from a childrens programme in the 1970s and is becoming popular again now.
i chose this name as like bagpuss i am soft,cuddlyand loyal, but will get the claws out when needed.. why did you choose your 'alias' and what does it tell me about you?
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Pole
Because I'm a pole.
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Signs of Discouragement in the Org.
by JH in.
most witnesses i knew were always positive thinking that the end was just around the corner, and that all your troubles were unimportant because the end was so close.
did you know any jw's or even elders who gave signs of discouragement because nothing was happening like they expected?
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Pole
The trouble is most JWs are conditioned not to admit being discouraged. Even if it requires fooling themselves. They'd rather blame themselves than the org.
I think the fact that a lot of JWs (especially men) start to have problems with drinking (at least here) is indicative of some sort of implicit frustration. That's how they react. They sink their frustration in alcohol.
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. - .- . God made man in his image (genises whatever)
by frankiespeakin innow i stand to be corrected about this because this is just my own could be wrong opinion.
in genesis when it says that god made man in his image,,i think it may well have been literally lets make man to looks like us (legs a head feet evrything even the genital thingy).
now the teaching that it meant let man have intellect and feeling like god(s) (actually it is plural.
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Pole
If the Genesis statement that people were created in God's image refers to feelings/emotions/intellect, then it is totally out of keeping with any observable reality. Even if you only consider the reality described in the rest of the OT.
This statement actually is actually one of the biggest contradiction in the bible and it makes it very difficult to understand the real nature of God, because it sort of implies that God is only different from humans in terms of power be it physical strength or brainpower.
He loves peace and war at the same time. He is the father of all orphans and yet he seems to aprove of killing pregnant women of nations other than Israel. Well, you all know the ambiguities.
Anthropomorphism in its purest form.
Pole