i personally feel they will have to "adjust" the fds doctrine.
the tricky thing is that the fds (whoever they are) won't approve this change while they're still alive.
they don't care, they subconsciously feel it's their end anyway and they won't undermine their doctrinal position having lost all corporate power.. so who will send this beam of new light?
The WTS believes that not everyone that partakes at the Memorial is "genuine" or "truly anointed" even though they are counted. It will be hard then to know when the last "truly anointed" is about to die and the end is near....
Wow Blondie. That qoute was quite revealing to me.
Pole
i personally feel they will have to "adjust" the fds doctrine.
the tricky thing is that the fds (whoever they are) won't approve this change while they're still alive.
they don't care, they subconsciously feel it's their end anyway and they won't undermine their doctrinal position having lost all corporate power.. so who will send this beam of new light?
TheEdge,
The disappearence of the FDS is a problem
Can someone explain this? I (incorrectly I suppose) believed that the FDS was God's earthly link - relaying Spiritual food, at the right time, from God. I also believed that the Governing Body consisted of them.
If they are physical people, how can they just 'disappear'? - die, yes, I understand - I need EDUCATING.
According to the WTS, there are supposed to be only 144,000 annointed ones in the entire history of christians. Some of them lived in the 1st century. The WTS has held the view that the gathering of modern annointed Christians was theoretically completed in the 1930s. So the great majority of Jehovah's Witnesses who joined the org after 1930s are not annointed. Only annointed Christians can become mebers of the GB or the FDS. From time to time there are a few witnesses who discover they're annointed too and that they will replace some other old-time annointed ones who weren't faithful enough. But the 144k is a constant number. No room for extensions.
This means that the future of the WTS leadership is very uncertain - at least at the doctrinal level, but also in terms of human resources. Something has to be done about it, but the NY gerontocrats don't care to do anything.
One makeshift solution is accepting some of the newly annointed brothers on the gb. In fact half of the GB members were born in 1930 and later which is after there were supposed to be no new annointed Christians. This solution has a very serious drawback though. The population from which new FDS/GB members can be selected is currently only around 8600. Most of them are very old, and more than a half are women (and they can't make it to the GB). And there's no control over who declares themselves as a newly annointed Christian.
Pole
will people who die at armageddon really be finished forever?
yes, the scripture says that they will be "killed" but not thrown into the lake of fire.
but what about the scripture at revelation 17:8?
Schizzo,
POLE: Were Noah's three adult sons only saved because they had a righteous parent? Did it have nothing to do with them being righteous?
SCHIZM: Yes, all of Noah's sons were saved by being under the umbrella of their righteous father. Take Ham for example: If Ham had been a "righteous" person he wouldn't have disrespected his father after he had unknowingly disrobed himself while in an accidentally-induced intoxicated state.
Ok. I get it. Ham was a lousy bastard. But his daddy was righteous so God decided not to kill Ham even though he was adult and married at that time. In fact, he would never cease to be a child of Noah, would he?
On the other hand, God killed thousands of innocent children who weren't mature enough to make the right decision just because they happened to have wicked parents.
Now you're accusing God of nepotism.
Pole
i personally feel they will have to "adjust" the fds doctrine.
the tricky thing is that the fds (whoever they are) won't approve this change while they're still alive.
they don't care, they subconsciously feel it's their end anyway and they won't undermine their doctrinal position having lost all corporate power.. so who will send this beam of new light?
I personally feel they will have to "adjust" the FDS doctrine. The tricky thing is that the FDS (whoever they are) won't approve this change while they're still alive. They don't care, they subconsciously feel it's their end anyway and they won't undermine their doctrinal position having lost all corporate power.
So who will send this beam of new light? The other sheep at the Writing Department at Brooklyn after the annointed old-timers go? How will the average JW know this new light originates with Jehovah? Catch 22.
What do you think is the next important doctrinal change in the WTS?
Pole
it's interesting to speculate about the fact that legal authority may have been removed from the governing body.
with the intent of protecting them from appearing in court.
when they announced that the organization was to be led.
XQ,
I long for the watchtowers of old that were historically inaccurate,backward, spiteful, but made sense and had direction. Now they have gotten into comic book style writing just to make deadlines and fill pages. They bust gapping holes in wts doctrine just trying to make deadline while staying current and relevant. At the assymbly they said 2 things make most jws leave poverty (in developing lands), and media/entertainment (in developed lands.).
The quality of the Watchtower magazine is bound to decline. They Writing Dep work hard to say something without having to take any responsibility for their words. That's what makes the WT articles are so hopelessly lacking in any content. In the long run this lack of decisive indoctrination will help many witnesses go more mainstream.
Pole
this is fluff stuff.
you must have noticed posters on many threads tend to come in clusters.
whenever one of the members of the "cluster" starts a thread, another few are very likely to post on his/her thread.
This is fluff stuff. Don't take it seriously.
You must have noticed posters on many threads tend to come in clusters. Whenever one of the members of the "cluster" starts a thread, another few are very likely to post on his/her thread.
Can you name one of such clusters? What's the usual topic? What's the link between the posters? Adoration, disagreement?
Example:
Narkissos - Leolaia - peacefulpete (with the most likely topic being advanced bible texts analysis).
G'nite
Pole
will people who die at armageddon really be finished forever?
yes, the scripture says that they will be "killed" but not thrown into the lake of fire.
but what about the scripture at revelation 17:8?
Tashawaa,
:)
Definitely. Being grown up or even married doesn't matter. You are still a child of your mother. Just like Noah's adult sons were his children and thus did not die in the Flood. That's how they were different from the five- and three-year-olds of the wicked parents who were killed by God.
Pole
will people who die at armageddon really be finished forever?
yes, the scripture says that they will be "killed" but not thrown into the lake of fire.
but what about the scripture at revelation 17:8?
Schizm,
Now you're getting all confused. I'm sure you made up this Noah's children argument on the fly and you'll do all you can to get out of it. I'll make it simple for you:
Are you saying that Noah's three grown-up sons who were married when the Flood took place (according to Genesis) were children in the same sense all the other children who were killed by God in the Flood were? Were Noah's three adult sons only saved because they had a righteous parent? Did it have nothing to do with them being righteous?
Stop kidding yourself. There's hardly anything you say that I agree with 100%.
Fine by me. Please show me which of the 5 points I posted above misrepresents your views.
Pole
will people who die at armageddon really be finished forever?
yes, the scripture says that they will be "killed" but not thrown into the lake of fire.
but what about the scripture at revelation 17:8?
Holy Crap Schizm - your braindead argumentation has "massed together clear up to heaven". You've summoned the demon of Farkel out of the abyss!
Run run run!!!
Pole
will people who die at armageddon really be finished forever?
yes, the scripture says that they will be "killed" but not thrown into the lake of fire.
but what about the scripture at revelation 17:8?
Schizm,
You failed to mention that God DID save Noah's children. Wonder why he did?
No he didn't. There was no global flood. Admitting this simple fact (on many different grounds) makes it one bit easier to believe in God. It's too late for you to admit it though. Thanks for the tip though. Let me complete what I've said then. I'm glad you agree with the way I described your views on the matter otherwise:
1) Pre-Flood people sinned and deserved death.
2) God killed those people.
3) God killed their innocent children as well.
4) God is in no way responsible for killing the innocent children. God couldn't have possibly saved the children. He saved a pair of elephants and a pair of pigs by miraculously directing them to the Ark, but he didn't care to save the children. That would have been way to much trouble and God didn't feel obliged to do so. God did the best thing he could: he killed the children with their wicked parents. It wasn't his fault and he had to anyway. After the flood he had some second thoughts on having killed so much "flesh". But he only meant the animal world. The children of the wicked parents didn't even deserve his reflection.
5) We shouldn't forget God saved Noah's children. Actually they were pretty big children. Three sons. All of them married. They all owned their survival to Noah. The fact that God spared those three innocent big little children proves that the children who were killed by God could have survived if their parents hadn't been wicked.
You both are so misadjusted in your viewpoints that it's actually pitiful. And what's so amazing about it all is that you actually consider yourselves to be educated.--Schizm.It has nothing to do with intelligence and being well educated . I can't blame you for having neither of those assets.--Pole.
You know, you truly are a marvel to behold.
In emotional terms, I understand why you resort to empty rhetorics, but I don't think you believe what you've said. On the other hand, I do rationally believe what I said about your education and intelligence.
Pole
