There's also a verse about the orion constellation in the book of Job if my memory serves me right.
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13The bible and astronomy
by thinker inhas anyone else done any research on the bible as an astronomy book?
if so what do you think of that theory?
does it make sense to you?
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Even the cops are looting in New Orleans
by pr_capone incopy and paste the video on this link .
http://obscurity.com/stuff/videos/countdown-looting-in-walmart.wmv .
sheesh!
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:By the way, I already sent $100 to the American Red Cross. What have YOU done for YOUR people?
Well Gerard, I am sure they've paid many times more in federal taxes. So methinks this is not an argument. How these taxes will be spent by the govt to help US citizens affected by the hurricane can ultimately be judged by the US taxpayers and voters. From what I see on tv they're not doing the best job possible, but it's not an international issue, so I'll shut up, having said that.
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WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
by Honesty ini have just talked with the wtbts service department at 718-560-5000.. you can contribute for hurricane katrina relief efforts through your local kingdom hall and put your donation in the contribution box marked for the world wide work.
you may also send donations directly to the branch office... to the brooklyn address.
donations should be marked for the world wide work and not specificically reserved for relief efforts.
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:Why don't the bastards just come out and say money for the "Worldwide Work" is just for their pedophice defense fund?
That's what I thought too.
Every respectable charity sets up separate accounts for separate crises. The WT is no charity - but that should only make them even stricter about separating donations.
Otherwise it comes across as using the disaster to make more money. Of course they will provide some token help, but since nobody really knows how much was received in donations for the Katrina hurricane victims, they may as well use some of this money to pay lawyers for defending convicted pedophiles like they have done in the past.
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FOR THE CRITIC OF S0-CALLED APOSTATE SITES.........
by Terry infor the critic of so-called apostate sites i offer the following.
the taste of bitter fruit.
the watchtower bible and tract society is a publishing company with a purpose.
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Terry,
You're a very skilled metaphorist ;-)
Good job,
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Kuwaiti: 'The terrorist Katrina' is a soldier of Allah'
by Elsewhere init was just a matter of time before someone in the middle east shot his mouth off..... http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453615.183333333.html.
kuwaiti: 'the terrorist katrina' is a soldier of allah' .
special to world tribune.com.
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Allah is a loving God indeed.
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Sagan's remark vs '75 yearbook. Invisible fulfillments of WTS prophecies,
by Pole inmost of you are probably familiar with the following quote from carl sagan: .
doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.
one prominent american religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as i can see, seem to have ended.
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::“After a brief pause he [Russell] said: ‘Anyone disappointed? I’m not. Everything is moving right on schedule!’ Again we clapped our hands.”
Ain't that a classic: "again they clapped their hands"? ;-)
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Where is the outrage?
by schne_belly inso katrina is one of the worst us disasters ever?
are there any other governments stepping up help the united states?
does anyone remember the tsunami outrage?
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What countries are helping the US with hurricane Katrina?
by Texas Apostate injust a question to put out there but, are there any countries in world who have pledged to help the us durring this time of crisis?.
or is it going to be, the us is rich enough they can take care of themselves!.
just would like to know.. ta (of the can i get a hand china, russia, france (yeah right)...class)
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http://news.ft.com/cms/s/baac872c-1b0c-11da-a117-00000e2511c8.html
Europe on standby to send petrol to US
By Andrew Ward in Montgomery, Alabama, Carola Hoyos in London and Christopher Swann in Washington
Published: September 1 2005 18:36 | Last updated: September 1 2005 19:43
European countries were on Thursday preparing to release emergency stockpiles of petrol as the US confirmed that some refineries hit by Hurricane Katrina would remain shut for several months. Earlier US officials had estimated the closures at only one to two weeks.
Officials from member governments of the International Energy Agency, the energy watchdog of industrialised countries, said they were now waiting only for the US to agree to such a measure.
The International Energy Agency, the organisation that coordinates the release, would say only that it was still assessing whether the size of the shortfall caused by Katrina warranted calling an emergency release.
Germany has assured the IEA that it would release stocks if asked to participate if needed. Germany holds the largest number of barrels of petrol in public storage. These extra barrels could hit the markets within one or two days. France, Spain and Italy also have large emergency gasoline reserves. However, should the gasoline be released, European countries are likely to seek an economic or political quid pro quo from Washington.
Europe has 168m barrels of petrol reserved for emergencies, with 53m of those held by governments or agencies. The US holds only emergency stockpiles of crude oil.
Jittery motorists formed lines of up to a mile long outside gasoline stations in several southern US states on Thursday, in anticipation of fuel shortages over the Labor Day weekend.
In scenes reminiscent of the oil crises of the 1970s, drivers drained pumps at stations in Georgia and Mississippi.
People queued for hours at the few petrol stations that were open along the Mississippi coast, clogging up roads and diverting police resources.
Fuel shortages stretched more than 100 miles north up the main highways running into the hurricane-hit area, as pumps were drained by evacuees fleeing the area and relief vehicles on their way in.
At some filling stations hours inland from the coast, locals appeared to be the main source of demand amid mounting fears of a more widespread shortage. Quotas were being imposed in many places.
Police were present at the busiest stations, marshalling traffic and maintaining order.
With so much of the energy infrastructure in the south damaged, analysts said the petrol shortages could spread. Hurricane Katrina shut down at least eight crude oil refineries, responsible for producing about 1.8m barrels of refined products - about 10 per cent of the nation's total capacity.
Experts warned that shortages could spread up the east coast of American. Adam Sieminski, analyst at Deutsche Bank, said that if all Americans topped up their tanks with an extra five gallons of gasoline it would equate to 27m barrels of extra demand.
There have already been examples of price gouging, with one Georgia station charging $5.19 per gallon - almost double the national average.
Two lines transporting gasoline and other fuels to the rest of the US are also running at a third of capacity.
Frank Vervastro, at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the shortages could worsen if consumers panicked. “Normally drivers fill their tanks half way or slightly more,” he said. “If many now start to fill their tanks to the top, the shortages could become more acute.”
Seth Kleinman, an analyst at PFC Energy, a consultancy, said it could take up to a month for supplies to return to normal and that prices could remain elevated beyond this time. “This supply shock sets the stage for extremely high prices for the foreseeable future,” he said. “With prices already high due to strong global demand, the last thing we needed was a supply shock.”
The Consumer Federation of America estimates that the average US family now spends close to $2,000 a year on gasoline - up from around $1,300 in 2002. Households with incomes under $15,000 - about a fifth of US families - spend more than 10 per cent of their income on gasoline. A survey by the CFA suggested that three quarters of Americans were highly concerned about gasoline prices over the next five years.
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Whats happens to all the $$$$ when the WTS closes down
by jwfacts ini used to think that if the end didnt come within the generation that the wts would have to shut down.
as it is a multibillion dollar non profit organisation i imagined that the publishers would then each get an equal distribution of the wealth, a great incentive to stay.
but then the definition of a generation changed and makes the wts viable for a bit longer than i cared to hang around for.. how long do you think the wts can continue before people en masse realise it is a pointless cult and it drifts into oblivion.
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That's the problem. Multi-billion cash-cow corporations rarely vanish just like that. There is always a bunch of cynical ba*rds ready to get hold the assets regardless of what it takes.
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Sagan's remark vs '75 yearbook. Invisible fulfillments of WTS prophecies,
by Pole inmost of you are probably familiar with the following quote from carl sagan: .
doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.
one prominent american religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as i can see, seem to have ended.
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Most of you are probably familiar with the following quote from Carl Sagan:
Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.
But not always. One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, "Oh, did we say `1914'? So sorry, we meant `2014.' A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way." But they did not. They could have said, "Well, the world would have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth." But they did not. Instead, they did something much more ingenious. They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry. Carl Sagan in "Broca's Brain"
I was recently browsing through the 1975 year book and found this staggering description which serves as a perfect illustration of Sagan’s observation:*** yb75 p. 73 United States of America (Part One) ***
An incident at the Saratoga Springs convention in 1914 highlights Brother Macmillan’s view of “going home” to heaven in that year. He wrote: “Wednesday (September 30) I was invited to talk on the subject, ‘The End of All Things Is at Hand; Therefore Let Us Be Sober, Watchful and Pray.’ Well, as one would say, that was down my road. I believed it myself sincerely—that the church was ‘going home’ in October. During that discourse I made this unfortunate remark: ‘This is probably the last public address I shall ever deliver because we shall be going home soon.’”
The next morning, October 1, 1914, about five hundred Bible Students enjoyed a lovely ride down the Hudson River on a steamer from Albany to New York. On Sunday the conventioners were to open sessions in Brooklyn, where the assembly would end. Quite a few delegates stayed at Bethel, and, of course, members of the headquarters staff were present at the breakfast table on Friday morning, October 2. Everyone was seated when Brother Russell entered. As usual, he said cheerily, “Good morning, all.” But this particular morning was different. Instead of proceeding promptly to his seat, he clapped his hands and joyfully announced: “The Gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day.” “How we clapped our hands!” exclaims Cora Merrill. Brother Macmillan admitted: “We were highly excited and I would not have been surprised if at that moment we had just started up, that becoming the signal to begin ascending heavenward—but of course there was nothing like that, really.” Sister Merrill adds: “After a brief pause he [Russell] said: ‘Anyone disappointed? I’m not. Everything is moving right on schedule!’ Again we clapped our hands.”
1914, 1925, 1975, Generation 1914, the brothers just clapped their hands no matter what. I think the juxtaposittion of Sagan's observation with this account from the yearbook shows the importance of self-delusion in the WTS from day one.
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European countries were on Thursday preparing to release emergency stockpiles of petrol as the US confirmed that some refineries hit by Hurricane Katrina would remain shut for several months.