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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-2-06 WT Study (Increasing Light)

  by blondie in

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  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the april 2, 2006 wt study (february 15, 2006 issue, pages 26-30)(increasing light).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  Pole

  Good review, Blondie. What struck me too was how they avoided mentioning the 1995 change in the generation doctrine.
  
  Amazing. Those mealy-mouthed bastards could've at least couched it in their appeasing lingo of propaganda. This sort of omission is in fact a big lie. They mention the change in the understanding of "Christian jubilee" and Ezekiel's temple (wow they're so important I didn't even remeber when exactly they changed them). These two are minor issues compared to the generetion 1914 hype, so the uninformed reader has the impression of reading a very detailed historical overview, which in fact fails to mention on of the biggest doctrinal changes since the 1975 fiasco.
  
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  YHWH - Ya'Wa' - revealed (Not Jehovah or Yahweh)

  by hallelujah in

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  both the catholic and jehovah's witness anthropomorphisize yhwh, but in reality the word should be pronounced as yawa - or ya'wa'.. in ancient sanskrit, a short "a" is the default vowel.

  this is not limited to sanskrit but is a universal and generic default vowel and the most common vowel sound in most languages.

  the "h" simply means that the short vowel "a" is forcefully aspirated.

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  Pole

  :Ironic that you would focus on the Britannica quote while appearing to completely ignore the rest of my post. I think it is quite simple that Jesus identifies Himself as the Almighty I AM who spoke to Moses and the prophets.
  
  Right, but if I take an issue with any of the quotes from Rev, will you instruct me to get in touch with St. John? ;-).
  
  Seriously though, I did not completely ignore the rest of your post. I suggested I don't quite see the connection you seem to make between cross-language etymology and ancient phonetics. Take any two closely "related" modern languages and try the same trick - guessing the pronouncation of a borrowing in one language by the supposed pronounciation of the word in the original language, especially if the word in question has undergone some etymological transformations.
  
  Cheers,
  
  Pole
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  YHWH - Ya'Wa' - revealed (Not Jehovah or Yahweh)

  by hallelujah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  both the catholic and jehovah's witness anthropomorphisize yhwh, but in reality the word should be pronounced as yawa - or ya'wa'.. in ancient sanskrit, a short "a" is the default vowel.

  this is not limited to sanskrit but is a universal and generic default vowel and the most common vowel sound in most languages.

  the "h" simply means that the short vowel "a" is forcefully aspirated.

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  Pole

  So it's not your opinion, just an appeal to the 'authority' of Britannica?
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  YHWH - Ya'Wa' - revealed (Not Jehovah or Yahweh)

  by hallelujah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  both the catholic and jehovah's witness anthropomorphisize yhwh, but in reality the word should be pronounced as yawa - or ya'wa'.. in ancient sanskrit, a short "a" is the default vowel.

  this is not limited to sanskrit but is a universal and generic default vowel and the most common vowel sound in most languages.

  the "h" simply means that the short vowel "a" is forcefully aspirated.

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  Pole

  Narkissos,
  
  Sure, that's more or less what I meant when making the distinction between phonetic and phonemic speculations.
  
  RigBoy,
  
  :This hypothesis is not intrinsically improbable
  
  Since there were only less than five phonemic vowels in Hebrew (and I'm guessing, so correct me if I'm wrong), no it's not "intrinsically improbable". BTW, beware of etymological fallacies!
  
  Pole
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  YHWH - Ya'Wa' - revealed (Not Jehovah or Yahweh)

  by hallelujah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  both the catholic and jehovah's witness anthropomorphisize yhwh, but in reality the word should be pronounced as yawa - or ya'wa'.. in ancient sanskrit, a short "a" is the default vowel.

  this is not limited to sanskrit but is a universal and generic default vowel and the most common vowel sound in most languages.

  the "h" simply means that the short vowel "a" is forcefully aspirated.

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  Pole

  :"Yahweh" and "Jehovah" are not just alternative hypotheses that you can dismiss altogether. The former is very likely the ancient pronunciation; the latter is nothing but a middle-ages creation.
  
  Plus, we can only make guesses about the phonemic pronounciation of ancient words, but not really about the phonetic one (as in the so-called narrow transcription). So any argument about the exact "correct phonetic pronounciation" is rather pointless. Let's take Latin as an example. You've got vowels spelled explicitely in ancient Latin texts. You can guess some phonetic aspects of the "original" pronounciation. But if you take two world-class latin philologists from two countries where different native languages are spoken you will have a lot of fun listening to them reading out the same piece of text. This is actually my experience from the Latin classes I had in Poland and Finland. And if you consider the diachronic and dialectic differences in the original pronounciations, the whole issue of phonetic guessing becomes even more tricky.
  
  Pole
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  YHWH - Ya'Wa' - revealed (Not Jehovah or Yahweh)

  by hallelujah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  both the catholic and jehovah's witness anthropomorphisize yhwh, but in reality the word should be pronounced as yawa - or ya'wa'.. in ancient sanskrit, a short "a" is the default vowel.

  this is not limited to sanskrit but is a universal and generic default vowel and the most common vowel sound in most languages.

  the "h" simply means that the short vowel "a" is forcefully aspirated.

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  Pole

  :So in my view ya'wa', or possibly yach'wach' (since Hebrew has a penchant for gutterals) is a more fitting pronunciation and is no more or less correct than Yahweh and certainly far more accurate than Jehovah.
  
  Should we call it the impressionistic-esthetic phonology of Hebrew?
  
  Having said that, it must have sounded really funny when Jesus read the Scriptures out in the synagouge:
  
  And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,:
  
  "Da Sparat af da Lard as apan mahsalf, bacauz hea (or heach, because Hebrew has a penchant for pharyngeal sounds) hath anaintad mahself ta preach da gaspel ta da paar..."
  
  Pole
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  YHWH - Ya'Wa' - revealed (Not Jehovah or Yahweh)

  by hallelujah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  both the catholic and jehovah's witness anthropomorphisize yhwh, but in reality the word should be pronounced as yawa - or ya'wa'.. in ancient sanskrit, a short "a" is the default vowel.

  this is not limited to sanskrit but is a universal and generic default vowel and the most common vowel sound in most languages.

  the "h" simply means that the short vowel "a" is forcefully aspirated.

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  Pole

  Ah fand yar sarcasm anwarrantad and anthrapamarphasaahz'ng.
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  Are all members of the GB American??

  by Frog in

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  in not...how do they get them permanent residency?

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  Pole

  Jaracz has a Polish name, but he's been American for all of his life as far as I know.
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  Does the Memorial™ generate BIG $ for the WTS?

  by Scully in

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  2. beliefs

  i'd never before thought of this angle for the memorial.

  it makes sense though: they get people who have become inactive making an extra effort to show up and maybe donating some "guilt money" to make up for having missed a few months' worth of meetings.

  they invite worldly people who perhaps take it for granted that when you go to "church" you drop something in the collection plate, and just automatically drop an offering in the contribution box.

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  Pole

  They are working extra hard to promote it so they may well be trying to profit out of it. This ceremony is in itself totally pointless since virtually all JWs do not participate in it and the ones that do, the so called anointed, are nothing in this org round of the few GB members in Brooklyn, and heavens forbid that they should be something special to God.

  All rituals are pointless if you think about it. But they do serve to accomplish various community-level "objectives". Of course the Memorial is a good oportunity to try and flog the dead horse a little more, but let's be fair: there is no reason to come up with conspiracy theories about the "real" reasons for organizing the Memorial. There may be a financial spin-off, but the main of point of the ritual is to enhance long-term brainwashing and not to pull it off with a one time scam. The WTS is not all about money. It's all about itself ;-). Money's just a means to achieve that. Pole
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  Push, Push, Push

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  minimus started a thread -the push is really on to invite everyone to the memorial -and he is correct, i heard the same from the po, co and km.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/110528/1.ashx.

  after that there is the push to invite everyone to the special talk.. .

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  Pole

  Sounds like more mortuum flagellas.