Posts by googlemagoogle

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is religon-bashing ok, and if yes, when?

by googlemagoogle in

today i read "doubtfully your's" comment on wiccans and i was shocked.

i wanted to reply immediately about tolerance and to respect another religion.

then i thought about him having a sister, smoking pot and presenting herself as pagan giving him some bad impression (prejudice?

googlemagoogle

but where do you draw the line? there are things you wouldn't say about jews to not be viewed as antisemite. do the same taboos apply to other religions? JWism for instance?

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is religon-bashing ok, and if yes, when?

by googlemagoogle in

today i read "doubtfully your's" comment on wiccans and i was shocked.

i wanted to reply immediately about tolerance and to respect another religion.

then i thought about him having a sister, smoking pot and presenting herself as pagan giving him some bad impression (prejudice?

today i read "doubtfully your's" comment on wiccans and i was shocked. i wanted to reply immediately about tolerance and to respect another religion.

then i thought about him having a sister, smoking pot and presenting herself as pagan giving him some bad impression (prejudice?) about wiccans. in his experience the wiccan belief is BS and he doesn't care sharing this experience publicly.

i also thought that many (actually most) on this board wouldn't mind bashing the JW religion. i don't mind either. but i always have been very careful (tolerant in my view) when talking about other religions like islam, buddhism, satanism, hinduism, catholicism, wicca or the jewish religion. now i wonder why i don't apply the same standard on JWism.

what do you think, is it ok to NOT respect a religion? [WT-MODE]please back up your response[/WT-MODE]

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The next step in chipping away at Mr.elder relative

by SeymourButts in

jw
friends

so, as you know, last weekend i provided some info to an elder relative of mine regarding 607. .

i am going to give him a couple weeks to research everything i brought up to him.

i don't expect him to fully accept what i said, but there is no doubt that there will be some questions in his head as to why things don't add up.

googlemagoogle

way to go, seymorbutts. happy hunting.

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God and the Devil are both a bit evil

by Bas in

i'd like to think of god and satan as the same power...if you like, god can be evil and the devil can be good.

it probably doesn't make much sense to you but i think as reality is as grey as it is (and not black/white), then probably the higher power(s) are/is too.

i honestly believe that thinking in terms of devil/god is not very fertile thing to do.

googlemagoogle

hi witness of jah, welcome to the board!

thanks for your eye-opening comment ;-) there are some things to think about though:

- the bible shows more than enough "god is on a killing spree"

- thus people serve jehovah because of fear, not because of love

- if god is the waterglass and we KNOW from the bible he's not all good (which is the poison in your parable), we shouldn't drink it. so stay away from him.

- as i said before, if satan is one of the most intelligent beings and dragged a huge part of angles with him, hes got to see some chance to win a battle against god. so there's no way to tell who's on the winning side.

i'd appreciate your feedback on this.

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Contradictions and NWT

by cheeseman in

i have 2 witnesses coming to my door in the near future.

they left me the "why you can trust the bible" tract which claims there are no contradictions in the bible.

so, in preparation i looked out some examples on the internet.

googlemagoogle

yeah, from the gospels:
- on which day did jesus die (john vs. synoptics)
- which year was jesus born (luke vs. luke vs. matthew)

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Contradictions and NWT

by cheeseman in

i have 2 witnesses coming to my door in the near future.

they left me the "why you can trust the bible" tract which claims there are no contradictions in the bible.

so, in preparation i looked out some examples on the internet.

googlemagoogle

don't list too much, cheeseman... and DON'T use the "can god be seen" one. they'll say it was an angel representing god.

"The sins of the father" is very good. because it's a clear contradiction. also to the paradigm of a just and loving god. stick to only that to show the bible contradicts. there is no answer to that so far, afaik. and there are plenty of texts that support it, you'll find a list on the skeptic's annotated bible.

the only thing they can respond is, "we'll have to do some research on this and explain it to you next time". but next time you can show them another contradiction.

don't bombard them with bible verses, it would be too much for them.

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God and the Devil are both a bit evil

by Bas in

i'd like to think of god and satan as the same power...if you like, god can be evil and the devil can be good.

it probably doesn't make much sense to you but i think as reality is as grey as it is (and not black/white), then probably the higher power(s) are/is too.

i honestly believe that thinking in terms of devil/god is not very fertile thing to do.

googlemagoogle

i'd like to think of god as responsible for all the evil stuff that happens, and satan as responsible for all the fun stuff. after all, god forbids all the fun stuff in his book.

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The next step in chipping away at Mr.elder relative

by SeymourButts in

jw
friends

so, as you know, last weekend i provided some info to an elder relative of mine regarding 607. .

i am going to give him a couple weeks to research everything i brought up to him.

i don't expect him to fully accept what i said, but there is no doubt that there will be some questions in his head as to why things don't add up.

googlemagoogle

that's a great strategy. go for it.

the un-scandal doesn't always work, this probably very much depends on where you live. it didn't work on me when i first read about it. i just thought something along "the brothers sure know what they are doing".

it's a much better approach to show that they are not honest about their past. because that shakes the whole "holy slave class" dependance, after that you can come along with the UN stuff if you want. because if they are not honest about their past, how can i be sure they are honest about what they are doing now behind the scenes.

making a jw wake up is all about destroying his belief in the slave-doctrine. when the seed begins to grow i'd offer an alternative (and more logical) exegesis of matthew 24:45 / luke 12:42...

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God and the Devil are both a bit evil

by Bas in

i'd like to think of god and satan as the same power...if you like, god can be evil and the devil can be good.

it probably doesn't make much sense to you but i think as reality is as grey as it is (and not black/white), then probably the higher power(s) are/is too.

i honestly believe that thinking in terms of devil/god is not very fertile thing to do.

googlemagoogle

when i still believed the bible stories, i always wondered how a cherub could be such an idiot to turn against an all-powerful god who could delete him right away. i wondered even more, how he could get a "third of the angles in heaven" to go with him.

that made me think, either he and his angels are damn idiots who want to die. or they have a good chance to win the heavenly war. i also thought, maybe satan aint that bad at all, and the bible is only propaganda making him look bad to cover gods injustice.

the bible says, we shouln't judge without listening to the other side. so if we got god's written word here, we should also study satans written word and decide which one makes more sense. as the bible doesn't make sense at all, satan's word would have a good chance to be taken more seriously.

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World of Warcraft - and those people we like to call fanatics

by Mr.D.Frost in

an avid player of this game.

just curious to know if there are any others.

if so what server.

googlemagoogle

orcish hunter here. almost daily :-) wow is better than the real world.

[edited to add:] FOR THE HORDE!!!