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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

  interpretation of scripture.

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  jaredg

  Your dad really wants to play a part in your future childrens lives. How much exposure do you want your kids to have to the WT? I would be clear with them about that since you are being so up front about everything else. I just thought it might be something to ponder.

  yes i have wondered about this. i am going to be very upfront with my parents on how i don't want them to influence my children w/ JW thinking. I feel that between myself and my future wife that we can combat any influence that they do have.

  stromboli....i think that in this case God sees what I am going through and he will forgive me if he doesn't like for me to pretend. i am never going to be a true JW again. i have told my parents this to their face. i know that they still have hope but that's something that they are either going to have to live with or get over.

  talking about the "system"....YES it does suck!! the whole message from Jesus has been totally overlooked by the WTS. it is a cult! however i am not afraid to beat the system. to me it's just an ACT. i think it would be fun to be an actor so now i get my chance. i don't care about misleading the elders about my intentions BUT i will be completely truthful w/ my parents and my girlfriend. going back to meetings is going to SUCK but i'll just take note of quirky things they say and relate anything humorous to you guys. i'm gonna have to do somthing to pass the time. maybe i'll take up sketching or something.

  honestly i really don't get how my dad can feel validified by "working" the system. it's amazing that he still needs the approval of the WTS even though i have expressed to him that i feel that i am approved by God. the soga continues.
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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

  interpretation of scripture.

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  hey everyone...thanks again for your posts. i want to make this very clear....I DON NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING REINSTATED!! but my dad truely believes that i can be even w/ a worldy gf and a beard!! again i reiterate....either my dad is right and i will be reinstated or he will be proven wrong. both are outcomes i would be happy with. yes i do have a worldy GF and no we don't commit fornication and haven't for a long time! so they either take my word for it or they don't.

  i am not going to live a life of Dubdom. in fact i don't plan on attending any meetings as soon as my reinstatement is announced. i know my dad would WANT me to continue going to meetings but the fact that i'm willing to put up with this bullshit religion for 6 months for him should be enough. if all else fails i can just say "Dad I did what you wanted and there is nothing more that I will do" and he will just have to live with that. i made it very clear to him yesterday on the phone that the ONLY reason i'm getting reinstated is for him and mom...THAT'S IT. the fact that he was fine with that just goes to show you the hold that the WTS has on him.

  i'm trying to look at the big picture...i'm 26 yrs old and i hope that my parents are around for at least another 25 years....if all i have to do is sit in the back of the KH for 5 hours a week for 6 months and pretend to be all sad and write heartfelt BS letters to the elders (maybe i'll just get my dad to write them) then it will be worth it to me to give my parents peace of mind. i'll also be able to go to family reunions and other family trips, have my parents envloved w/ my future family and kids. that my friend is worth a little bit of my time. BUT i'm not stupid and i realise that things might not work out...if i sense the heat coming around the corner i'm just going to walk away. i feel very powerful right now and i will not be afraid to just walk out the door!
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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

  interpretation of scripture.

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  jaredg

  Jared,

  Judging by his e-mail, I believe your dad is beginning to wake up from the WT nightmare. He doesn't speak like a

  'true' believer. Best of luck there. However, I think you might have a problem getting reinstated if you have a girlfriend, beard

  and the rest. Many elders will take that to be a 'bad attitude' and will 'encourage' (= harass) you to give them up as a sign of

  your repentance before they let you back in the congregation. If you were DF over some issue with a girl, then

  keeping a relationship alive will definitely be a no-no for the body of elders. If it was a 'rebellious attitude' of some sort,

  then using a non-aproved translation at the meetings (or keeping a beard, the utter sign of rebellion in the witness world! )

  won't help you at all. You see, those men attach a great importance to the smallest of things. It also feels like the elders

  might try to get back at your dad through you and harass you for longer than you think, I don't know. Anyway, best of luck,

  whatever you decide to do.

  Mark

  Mark you are right about the elders BUT my father feels differently. you see my plan is two fold and either outcome would be ok with me. either the elders go for it and i'm reinstated or they don't which will in turn make my father very angry. check out his latest email

  I WILL SUPPORT YOU ABOUT THE BEARD AND THE non-JW GIRLFRIEND. But don't
  close your mind in advance to at least going to some meetings after you
  are reinstated. At least to the assemblies, conventions and to the
  Memorial. It would be great to have you at those occasions with us.
  
  Just get reinstated and then we can take it from there.
  
  I don't give my opinion about how I think animals will act in the new
  system, and I don't agree with what the Society often publishes on that
  subject. I just keep silent. Jehovah will show one day exactly what is
  correct. So can you keep silent if something comes up that you have
  questions about, and wait on Jehovah to settle these types of things?

  you see my father sees nothing wrong scriptually w/ having a beard or "wordly" GF and using a non-NWT bible. this means that if the elders say that they won't reinstate me b/c of my beard, GF or whatever my dad will have my back on this!!

  elswhere wrote:

  This is because he is concerned about satisfying the rules and regulations of a publishing corporation... NOT serving a god.

  you hit the nail on the head!! my dad feels that i should be reinstated immediately, he agrees w/ me on the prodigal son parable, but he has a couple things holding him back. he still believes tha WTS is god's organization and even though he sees all the things wrong w/ it he feels that jehovah wil makes things right in due time. it's going to be interesting how things unfold. i'll keep you guys posted!
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  NEWBIES

  by vitty in

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  i have noticed quite a few new members and was wondering how many new ones have signed up in say the last month?

  is there a way of finding out this info?

  also how many members are there altogether?.

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  jaredg

  a congregation every week!!! wow that really put things into perspective.
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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

  interpretation of scripture.

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  jaredg

  Having said that, this is the saddest most asinine thing I have ever read. Just for a moment look at this as if you knew nothing about the dubs and read it through those eyes. This is a path of deliberate lies and evasions to skirt the rules of this religion and your father, whose congregational position I don't know, is actually giving you pointers in how to do that??!!!

  yes...i'm am trying to beat the system!! my dad stepped down as an elder recently b/c he was discouraged by the plotics and power stuggle going on in the congregation. it's interesting b/c my dad actually has a lot of views similiar to some of us here but he just can't let go of the WTS being appointed by God and he trully believes that all the wrongs he sees will one day be cleansed by Jah. probably has something to do w/ being raised a JW. maybe one day he'll see the light but i'm happy to have him on my side for now. even though he's sick of the politics he's good at it.
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  Could a Coup Reform the Watchtower?

  by metatron in

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  it's interesting to speculate about the fact that legal authority may have been removed from the governing body.

  with the intent of protecting them from appearing in court.

  when they announced that the organization was to be led.

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  jaredg

  the WTS's number one enemy is knowlege
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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

  interpretation of scripture.

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  jaredg

  James....thanks for your post. AA pretty much summed it up for me. i was DF'd for fornication which i no longer practice so I won't have to lie to the elders concerning the sin that i was DF'd for. the only thing I would have to lie to them about would be my loyalty to the WTS and I plan on avoiding that question. if they do ask me about it i'm just going to tell them that I will have to get back to them on that after i "do some research" and then talk to my dad and see what he says i should say. after reinstatement i don't plan on hanging out with any of my old JW friends, i've made new friends that love me unconditionaly, and i don't plan on being around JWs unless it's family so I have no plans on leading a double life. i'm very open with my mom and dad so they know exactly where i stand. that's what's most important to me.
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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

  interpretation of scripture.

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  jaredg

  There are rare instances

  of elders rejecting an announced reinstatement if the person quickly drops out of sight.

  man if that happened my dad would pitch a fit!! the good thing is that my PO is one of my dad's best friends. i think my dad will be able to pull some strings. i guess we'll see.
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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

  interpretation of scripture.

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  jaredg

  so this is a response that i just sent him

  Hey,
  
  ok sounds good! when i said "help me leave" what i meant was for you
  to coach me on how to stay in "good standing" with out going to
  meetings, field service and the such. i don't want to be questioned
  about my faith in the WTS b/c i don't want to lie and i'm afraid that
  if i am honest about how i feel then they would DF me again. also how
  will they feel about me having a beard? if they tell me that i won't
  be reinstated until i shave my beard and break up with my girlfreind
  will you support me knowing that their claims are unscriptual? i will
  not abide by any law that goes beyond what is written. and if they
  try and pull some crap saying that me dating a worldy girl and having
  a beard will stumble some people then maybe those people need to
  reexamin their faith. oh one more thing...i need the meeting schedule
  for rick's congregation and i need to know what to do about the
  bookstudy. i don't know if they have one at the KH.
  
  love,
  jared
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  WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

  by jaredg in

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  recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

  here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

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  bikerchic....so now that you are fading how is your relationship w/ your family?