AA thanks for your post. i'm trying to keep a positive outlook about going to the meetings. even tough it would proably take more than 6 months to get reinstated it would just be 4-5 hours a week. i think i can handle that. plus i plan on keeping a critical mind the whole time. i plan on taking notes, examining doctrine and using a translation besides the NWT during the meetings. i also plan on keeping my beard!! my dad feels confident that i can be reinstated even if i have a worldy girlfriend, have a worldy roommate and a beard. we'll see if his theory is accurate. so basically two things will happen...he'll be right and i get reinstated or he'll be wrong and i won't. but if i don't, even after following his advice, my dad might get VERY ANGRY AT THE BODY OF ELDERS! maybe it will cause him to have some doubt. who knows but to me both outcomes are good. oh and yes i will share any funny stories here on JWD.
jaredg
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WOW!!! interesting response from my dad
by jaredg inrecently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.
here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.
interpretation of scripture.
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WOW!!! interesting response from my dad
by jaredg inrecently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.
here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.
interpretation of scripture.
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I rather think though that his intention is that once you start going you will eventually get back in the fold totally
yes i am aware of that and i told my dad that i am awareof it and not to get his hopes up. they might have hope but i have determination!!
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WOW!!! interesting response from my dad
by jaredg inrecently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.
here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.
interpretation of scripture.
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recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!
here is my email to him...
maybe we should take a break from these conversations on
interpretation of scripture. we could argue these points forever
without absolutely knowing who is right and who is wrong. i think we
spend too much time arguing who is right and who is wrong anyway. we
should be focusing on leading christian lives and displaying a
christian attitude and that's what i am doing. i also want my family
back!! if the only way to get that to happen is for me to get
reinstated by the WTS then i will consider it. maybe i can sit with
tom in the back or something. will i have to use a NWT while i sit in
the meetings? i'd like to use the time i'm sitting in the back to
compare other translations. i have one request from you if i do
decide to go back to meetings and get reinstated...i want you to help
me leave without being DF'd or DA'd after i am reinstated. for
example...if i'm reinstated and i stop going to meetings after that
what will happen? i'm sure the elders will try to contact me to
"encourage" me. can i just tell them that i don't want to be
contacted anymore and that's that? if i tell them that i don't want
to go to meetings anymore will they consider that an act of
disassociation? how do i leave with out being shunned? i need an
update on the latest rules. if i am reinstated but afterward stop
going to meetings will i be invited to family gatherings? will i be
able to go on family vacations? we have to figure this out before i
try and come back b/c if i'm just going to lose my family again then
it would just be a waste of my time. i'm also going to need some
coaching on what to say to the elders so that they will reinstate me.
i know to avoid questions about my loyalty to the WTS and to be vague
in my answers. i just hope i can bite my tounge long enough.
with much love,
jaredand this is his reply
OK.
1. If you are reinstated and stop going to meetings after that nothing
will happen.
2. Yes the elders will contact you to encourage you. You would realize
that they have your best interest at heart, so you would smile and be
nice. Don't tell them you don't want to be contacted anymore. Don't
tell them you don't want to go to meetings anymore. Meetings aren't
that bad, you can at least go to a few after you are reinstated, and to
the conventions and assemblies and the Memorial with your family.
3. If you are reinstated, and don't go to meetings you will be invited
to all family gatherings, all family vacations, along with your wife and
children.
4. You can sit with Tom in the back. He will be going to the same
Cong. As Rick, and that is where I would like for you to go. You would
rather be with that Cong. than working with Noel. Your Mother and I did
not like the way he treated you.
5. You can use any translation you like. Try to get a good one; some
have completely cut out Jehovah's name, some support the trinity and
other false doctrines.
6. I will coach you on what things to say and do so that you will be
reinstated. I will coach you on what to say and what to do so that you
will not be dissfellowshipped again.
7. I will not however help you to leave. I too feel that I have your
best interests at heart. I feel that you will be much happier if you
don't "leave." Despite all the negative things that some of the brothers
do. Of course any decisions you make are your own. You are a man. But
please keep in mind that decisions you make as a man will have a direct
effect on your wife and children. (I speak of your wife and children
because you will sooner than you think have wife and children.)
HOPE AGAIN!
Love Dadso what do you think? by the way yes i am thinking about getting reinstated just to fade away. damn..the things i'll do for family
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new to this site
by happy camper inhi, i am new to this site.
i have been an ex- jw for about 10years now, and this is the first time i have done this.
( trying to avoid the "apostate" label) haha i would love to hear from some ex- jw's, and see if they have and are going thru some of the same experiences that i am.
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welcome happy camper....i was also raised in the "troof" but have been out for about three years. take off your shoes and stay a while...you'll feel right at home.
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jehovah's organization and dual fulfillment prophecy
by jaredg inmy dad disaggress and backs it up by saying that god has always had an organization or his righteous people on earth.
it used to be isreal but when jesus came he changed that and established a new convenant/congregation.
he then goes on about matt.
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again thanks for the replys. usually the simple answer is the correct one and to me there is no more simple explanation of matt 24:45-47 than it being JUST a parable and nothing more. my dad has yet to give me any scriptual evidence as to how the WTS came to the conclusion that this parable is actually a prophecy for our time.
but as far as revelation goes i have yet to find an explanation that satisfies me. i know that the WTS tries to apply many of the prophecies from revelation to themselves but my question is more simple...what time period in general is revelation written for? if it was written after the destruction or jerusalem and after the "greta tribulation" that preceeded the destruction then WHY and for WHAT reason?
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jehovah's organization and dual fulfillment prophecy
by jaredg inmy dad disaggress and backs it up by saying that god has always had an organization or his righteous people on earth.
it used to be isreal but when jesus came he changed that and established a new convenant/congregation.
he then goes on about matt.
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thanks for the replays guys! as far as the missing links b/w the first century christians and C.T. Russell my dad says the roman orthodox church became the slave and so on and son on through luther and the prodestants and so on until today. his belief is that even though the teachings were not accurate they were the best at that time and it set th foundation for C.T. to establish true christianity.
the point about god not having an organization before isreal is a good point...i never thought about that.
anybody have any other points about the book of revelation and when it's fullfilment is suposed to take place (i.e. is it our time period)?
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hey mods can you delete this thread...i didn't mean to post it!
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jehovah's organization and dual fulfillment prophecy
by jaredg inmy dad disaggress and backs it up by saying that god has always had an organization or his righteous people on earth.
it used to be isreal but when jesus came he changed that and established a new convenant/congregation.
he then goes on about matt.
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ok so i've been talking to my dad lately about scriptual matters and there are a couple questions that i'm having a hard time answering.
i have made it clear to my dad that i do not believe that the WTS is god's organization on earth. my dad disaggress and backs it up by saying that god has always had an organization or his righteous people on earth. it used to be isreal but when jesus came he changed that and established a new convenant/congregation. he then goes on about matt. 24: 45-47 and the faithful slave and such. so then he says that if the WTS isn't the faithful slave then WHO is? he kept on asking me WHO, WHO....he just kept repeating that. my rebuttal was that i don't believe that the parable in matt 24 has a dual meaning one of which is for our time period. then he comes back by saying that the prophecy was first fulfilled before the fall of jerusalem in 70 A.D. and that it must have a second fulfillment since revelation was written in 95A.D after the fall of Jerusalem. i don't know how to refute that with out dismissing the bible all together.
so help me in understanding who else could be the faithful slave if there really is one and if there isn't how do i prove that there is no faithful slave? also how do i refute that revelation was writtien for our time period?
thanks,
jared
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Stumbled Across the Forum
by UncleI ini stumbled across this forum today as i was looking for information online as it relates to johnny carson and the whole john denver thing that was spread around years ago.
it's no surprise that i cant find a single thing on it on the web as i always thought it was an urban legend.
just angers me that things like that spread around and so many people just accept it as truth because a brother or sister told it to them.
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basically the WTS joined the UN as a NGO (non-governmental organization) back in the day and then it was exposed (in some new paper online). some bros and sis. found out about it and started inquiring. the WTS said that they "were" a member so that they couold use the UN library but have since revoked their association. but after doing some research you'll see that they didn't have to be an NGO to use the library so that claim was false. many epople view this as hypocritical since the bros and sisters in malawi were killed b/c the WTS would let them get a political party card which is not as bad as being a memebr of the UN. i hope that helps.