i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.
perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.
it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.
clouds eman - just went to the trouble of writing you guys responses that took me a long time then lost them due to a system f*** up
i'm really enjoying this thread - because it's out of jw rut
excuse me while i cry over my loss
BADASSOCIATE
(of the ALWAYS compose in word then cut and paste back into the post from now on class)
my farther is a jw, my mother is rc i am neither.
i have done a study of world beliefs from, atheist to zoraster.
this includes many wtbts writings, old & new.
norm - so where does that leave you?
wil - thanks - i really liked your ideas and your style
BAD ASSOCIATE
* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/woodwart.html.
i'm sure this piece of watchtower history is included.
in their "proklaimers" book... .
mister t. - the proklaimers book always did seem like it was a page or two short - the whole story makes sense now - thanks man
BADASSOCIATE
please listen.
im not the first to go through this, i wont be the last.. i was raised in the truth as a result of my mum starting a study when i was 4 years old.
that was in 1968. the hysteria of a 1975/armageddon was just beginning to take root and the sister who studied with my mum was 100% sure of it.
- thanks for sharing your heartrending story
nic the emotional through line right down to this point in the thread has been eloquently & passionately played out by all prior posters
lets cut to a different scene now
the score so far here seems to be
WTBTS - 4 (u + wife + 2 kids) if i read right
Nic - 0
they say that perception is reality
what do you think happens in the mind of an outsider when you declare to them that you are a jw and remain a member of that organisation
do you think they are splitting hairs discriminating which of the jw policies you do and dont believe?
i think it would be fair to say that by declaring to an outsider that you are a jw - and by remaining as a member of the jw's - in their mind you are an adherent to the full gamut of jw policies
however limited that outsiders awareness of jw policy may be
in the minds of the masses declaring you are a jw
and remaining a member of the jw organisation
is tantamount to tacit agreement to all jw policies
i'll take this one step further and venture to say
remaining within the wtbts ranks is tantamount to tacit agreement to their policies
it also substantiates the effectivness of their policies
which as we all know amount to nothing more than cowardly fear tactics
right now, if you dont mind me being so frank, you are right where they want you
and what for?
contrary to popular wtbts opinion this is not about religion or god or jesus or the bible
when scrutinised all those sources serve to do is underscore the inconsequential irrelevancy of the wtbts in the light of what they claim to represent
the reality of the wtbtsocieties prime concern is the perpetuation/ maintainance of a very small group of mens power base and commercial enterprises
the secret to their success is simple
isolation and repitition
at the core of every one of their mentally/spiritually deadening sterile policies you will find one or the other or both of these forces at play
why are you desperate?
because you are in conflict
the longer you remain with the wtbts the worse this conflict within yourself will become
you can carry on rationalising this reality away -
but why do people have breakdowns?
i'll leave that one with you
(the thumbnail you've chosen is an alarm bell to me)
you are possibly living in more and more misery every day you remain a JW -
you may feel you care passionately for their cause
rallying to their defence when called upon
but reverse the situation for a moment
how much of your life have you devoted to them?
and now in your time of need how concerned are they with you?
lets face it - if i interpret what you've written correctly
in repayment for your devotion -
the boys are in the back room sharpening their knives
right now
to facilitate the most expedient insertion possible into your back
thats the kind of thanks they have in store for you and all the faithful
(i found the witchunt mentality - the natural by product of legalisms/policies - within the wtbts totally discouraging
nic the way i see it either
you win or they do
it's obvious to me whats at stake here and who has the most to lose
and right now it aint looking like the wtbts
you wont be over this today
you wont be over it tomorrow
you wont be over it in a year
you may not be over it in five ten fifteen twenty years
but whats the alternative option?
you can rationalise away the voice of your misery and desperation as being of no import
the cry for help we hear screaming for attention loud and clear between the lines of your post
but sooner or later your misery and desperation will let your rationalisations know who is the stronger
do you think the bro's will really care -
if your depression leads to a breakdown
bit hard to go selling watchtowers in that condition
and bro's who dont sell watchtowers - lets face it - deep down they're just spiritually weak
i had friends in a similar situation committ suicide
in consolation for all their years of devoted service to the wtbts all they got was their bro's and sisters coming out with stupidities like quotes from proverbs about how the deceased shouldn't have isolated themselves from "gods organization" and so forth
it's get even time for you now nic
but as all here agree you are not alone
practically every post on this site is confirmation of
all those secret doubts and fears you've been forced to keep isolated within for so long
imho it's time to let yourself feel
as angry as you are
it's time to let yourself feel as hurt as you are
it's time to let yourself feel all the grief stricken upset you can muster
it's time to let yourself feel the entire width length and breadth of the deception you've been dealt for so long
it's time to fight fire with fire
BADASSOCIATE
do you think the wts will ever reduce the number of meetings per week, maybe drop one night a week?
just curious!
it seems that everyone is so whipped from working all day, i really think that's why there is such a drop in meeting attendance.
OB - isn't it past your bedtime?
BADASS
some more tips on child murder (for the benefit of our dear "friend"):.
*** w91 6/15 18 [italics mine].
if you have children, are you sure that they agree with and can explain the bible-based stand on transfusions?
focus -
i'm not sure if the subtle approach you're using to draw your f iend out will succeed.
impeccable content
BADASS
i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.
perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.
it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.
unaNSWERED
thanks for starting this interesting thread-the WT hates speculation(supposedly) but i find it fun.:)-nate
aint it even sweeter speculating when you haven't been allowed to speculate for such a fuckin' long time ?
BADASS
i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.
perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.
it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.
chuck - have you seen "the last temptation of christ"?
i think you'd really dig it
it explores a very interesting view on the way in which jesus came to the realisation of his divinity and destiny
it's slow moving but worth the concentration and the end is simply OUTSTANDINGLY EXCELLENT
you'll probably find you'll watch it a few times
another reason to see it - it's the type of film that drives fundamentalists like the jw's totally nuts because it presents a view of the jesus story from a startlingly fresh persepctive
BADASS
do you believe in reincarnation?.
i dont think i believe in it in the same way that most believers do, which is that we keep coming back in different fleshly bodies until we have achieved perfection.. i do, however, strongly suspect that we may well be spirit creatures who find it necessary to inhabit a fleshly body from time to time, and that this entails us having to leave behind most of our past memories.. i say most memories, because many people seem to have some vestigal recollections that don`t seem to fit in with earthly experiences.. i`m pretty sure that i chose my parents!
i have a recollection of being shown a young and kind couple through some form of astral telescope and choosing to become their son.
If there is one thing that I would love to shout from the top of a KH, it is this:TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS!!!"
man the two of us up there could start a bit of noise
i'm with ya on this one e-man
BADASS
do you believe in reincarnation?.
i dont think i believe in it in the same way that most believers do, which is that we keep coming back in different fleshly bodies until we have achieved perfection.. i do, however, strongly suspect that we may well be spirit creatures who find it necessary to inhabit a fleshly body from time to time, and that this entails us having to leave behind most of our past memories.. i say most memories, because many people seem to have some vestigal recollections that don`t seem to fit in with earthly experiences.. i`m pretty sure that i chose my parents!
i have a recollection of being shown a young and kind couple through some form of astral telescope and choosing to become their son.
this thread is a trippy read
e-man are you smilie eating e-man like me?
BADASS
