Posts by Terry

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Was Jesus king before 1914? and something he said you did not expect!

by Crazyguy in

as jesus was entering the city his followers were declaring him king, luke 19:.

38 blessed is the king who comes in the name of the lord!

peace in heaven and glory in the highest!.

Terry

I finally adopted the attitude regarding the Bible that, as a source of Divine communication, it's a non-starter. Historically, it is an artifice, contrivance, and anomaly. Nobody at the time seemed to have noticed how cut and paste it was--at least to the point they challenged the presupposition it was the foundation of all future 'truthiness.'

The Catholic institution of 'church' dominated the thinking and habits of Christian mankind for fifteen hundred years WITHOUT having to resort to Bible worship.

I would assert it was an emergency stop-gap measure created by the Protestant Reformation which substituted Bible for Magisterium.

Thus began the explosion of opinions passed off as 'holy-spirit-delivered-revelation' which gave us the 40 thousand denominations of today.

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CO kept mispronouncing "debt"

by Red Piller in

so, this happened a while ago - but i never posted on it.

during a co visit, he gave a talk relating to jesus ransom (i think) and the "debt" that was owed by sin, etc.... he kept saying "debt" and he kept pronouncing the "b".

so it sounded like "deb-t".

Terry

I was listening to a JW read a scripture the other day about

joint heirs and he pronounced it hairs.

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What is truth?

by Heisenberg in

jw
friends

well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

Terry

T-shirt:

Change horse to 'arse.'

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New forum 'parousia' is upon us! (software version)

by Simon in

the time has nearly come to switch over to the new forum software.

of course it's not completely finished yet (and never will be) but i think it's good enough to go live with and probably already better than the current one.

i'll give you a quick overview of what to expect and post more detail about the changeover process later.. cloud platform.

Terry

I'd like to second Terry's request for the ability to subscribe to threads, and email notification of PMs would be great too.

I can't remember where I read it (maybe codinghorror) but I recall an article reasoning why email subscriptions were the best way to kill a forum / community and I tend to agree.

I'm not opposed to a digest summary but the forum is meant to be a forum and not a mailing list. I think email subs encourage the post-and-run more than a true community discussion.

________________________________

Oh, I agree.

What I'm looking for is a mere notice:

"SIMON has posted on your Topic, "Werewolves in the Arctic."

A hyperlink directly to the topic speeds things considerably.

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UNDERSTANDING WHY THE ORGANIZATION is a false idol and a BLASPHEMY

by Terry in

do we understand these three words: worship, idolatry, and blasphemy?.

most christians have a vague notion of worship, idolatry, and blasphemy already, but.

a clear definition is necessary.. we must take care to differentiate, however.. how the words appear in original language and how they are defined today might be at odds.. ____________________.

Terry

GOD IS WITH US

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The best book on biblical archaeology I've ever read

by marmot in

i'm referring to "the bible unearthed : archaeology's new vision of ancient isreal and the origin of its sacred texts" by israel finkelstein and neil asher silberman.

i think it should be required reading for anyone who deigns to defend the historicity and literal interpretation of the bible.

(i'm looking at you singlecell).

Terry

OnTheWayOut:

Terry, I didn't read it all, but I don't see any criticism of THE BIBLE UNEARTHED (TBU) in the controversy you refer to.

Finkelstein blasts Dershowitz in a book about Israel, not about the content of TBU.

________________________

Thanks for bringing that up, Phizzy and OTWO!

Finklestein attacked Dershowitz first and leveled many accusations about him and the book, Case for Israel.

In so doing, Finklestein hurt himself and the gravitas of his own book.

So, when I brought up Finklestein's archeological findings in a debate, I was horrified to have the evidence DISMISSED

by my opponent. The topic switched to defamation and bias rapidly! (The unusual name of Finklestein allowed the confusion, I suppose.)

This is what happens.

Richard Wagner's music becomes synonymous with Anti-Semitism in the minds of certain people.

The baby goes out with the bathwater.

That's what I intended to express in the above paragraphs, but I clogged the drain with too much chatter.

Thanks.

In confusing the two authors and further confusing the topic--more harm than good was done:)

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YOU 'THINK' YOU ARE FREE when you leave the Org. . . but it can be an ILLUSION

by Terry in

jw
friends

did you know there is nothing more insane than being partly indoctrinated and partly free?.

the level of cognitive dissonance is ridiculous!.

i have told this story before, so i'll shorten it to cut to the chase.. in 1987, i was dating a professional psychotherapist with a view to marriage.

Terry

The incredible role of personal charisma (re: Pastor Russell) is lost on us today.

The loyalty of 'Russellites' was based on an exaggerated and fictitious appraisal of the man's accomplishments.

"He was an expert in theoretical and practical psychology and phrenology. . ."

Phrenology was what?--the detailed study of the shape and size of the cranium bumps as a supposed indication of character and mental abilities.

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Rutherford's Hostile Welcome in New Zealand

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

http://watchtowerdocuments.org/hostile-welcome-new-zealand/.

rutherfords hostile welcome in new zealand.

posted on december 23, 2014 by barbara on www.watchtowerdocuments.org.

Terry

A public talk titled "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living May Never Die" was first delivered on February 24, 1918 in Los Angeles, California.

Five weeks later, on March 31, 1918 the title was changed to indicate absolute certainty: "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living Will Never Die."

The public talk continued to be delivered under that same title until 1925. The material was published as a book in 1920.

The prophecy failed, but the organization certainly got tremendous mileage out of the countdown clock

of the generation policy.

As that teaching slowly strangled and reincarnated into overlapping generations, the entire fraud can now be seen for what it was/is.

_______________________

http://jehovah.net.au/books/Millions_Now_Living_Will_Never_Die.pdf

One book reviewer said this:

"It's so funny. A hilarious book you just can't put down. Why? Because they were actually serious. It is the Plan 9 From Outer Space of the book world."

_____________________________

https://archive.org/details/MillionsNowLivingWillNeverDieRogerson

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What is truth?

by Heisenberg in

jw
friends

well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

Terry

What is a lie but a misrepresentation of reality? A funhouse mirror.

A direct one on one matchup between the description of something, and of the thing being described= truth.

Distortion arrives rather invisibly.

THE TRUTH is not the same thing as

THE WHOLE TRUTH which is not the same thing as

NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

Think about that sometime. . .

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The best book on biblical archaeology I've ever read

by marmot in

i'm referring to "the bible unearthed : archaeology's new vision of ancient isreal and the origin of its sacred texts" by israel finkelstein and neil asher silberman.

i think it should be required reading for anyone who deigns to defend the historicity and literal interpretation of the bible.

(i'm looking at you singlecell).

Terry

Take a look inside Dershowitz's book (especially Table of Contents)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/047146502X