I've participated in belchin' beers myself!
Posts by Terry
-
18A frothy question ABOUT DEMONS
by Terry inhave you ever been to a circus and seen a "clown car"?.
the little "bug" volkswagon drives out and clowns get out.
lots and lots and lots and lots of clowns!.
-
-
-
46
THOUGHTS ON UPGRADING TO (Free) WINDOWS 10
by Terry ini've been using windows 7 for several years and have had no complaints.. i've tried many browsers and settled on google chrome.
it has absolutely everything i want or need.. i kept hearing about the free upgrade to windows 10, so i went to youtube and watched endless "reviews" pro and con.. what pushed me over the (microsoft edge) was the fact i could test drive the new operating system.
for 30 days and go back to windows 7 if i didn't like it!
-
-
Terry
GodZoo: You ask a question pretending that it's an open discussion. Then you proceed to invalidate everyone's view, opinion or experience and then present your own to be the absolute and perfect truth on the matter.
_________________I love to be given new information and better arguments because it means I'm learning, growing, broadening my scope of experience. I'm also very good at stating my opinion for the simple reason I am a writer and have command of the language.
Is it barely possible that what you interpret as "invalidation" is merely rebuttal so effective you are left without further leverage in putting a contrary point across?
I don't know. I'm just proposing that as a possibility.I appreciate your participation in any discussion I am a part of and don't see it as a "zero sum game" with only winners and losers.
It's just opinion. It isn't life or death.
_____________________________________
-
375
This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
-
-
Terry
Imagine needing proof of gravity.
Imagine needing proof of Mt. Everest.
Imagine needing proof of a tornado or tsunami or earthquake.
What is purported to be the greatest living being in all the Universe? God.
Go figure! We have to ask for proof.Things that make you go, "Hm-m-m-m-m"
-
12
FORENSIC ANALYSIS: The Governing Body as Lying Liars who Lie
by Terry inpattern of excuses.
example #1. blame the bible !.
proclaimer's book*** jv chap.
-
-
Terry
PATTERN OF EXCUSES
Example #1
BLAME THE BIBLE !
PROCLAIMER'S BOOK*** jv chap. 10 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth ***
Footnote p. 133
"The chronology was flawed because of relying on an inaccurate rendering of Acts 13:20 in the King James Version, belief that there was a transcription error at 1 Kings 6:1, and failure to take into account Biblical synchronisms in the dating of reigns of the kings of Judah and of Israel. A clearer understanding of Biblical chronology was published in 1943, in the book "TheTruth Shall Make You Free,"and it was then refined the following year in the book "TheKingdom Is at Hand," as well as in later publications.
_________________________________________________________
EXAMPLE #2
DISTORT the MEANING of WHAT YOU (previously)TAUGHT
(What was actually taught: "… from the beginning of the Lord’s presence in 1874 the Devil used the Papal system as the chief opposing instrument of God’s kingdom …" Watchtower1930 p.275
*******COMPARE WITH THIS FALSE STATEMENT*****
(False claim: " The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honest hearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914. Events since that year testify to Jesus' invisible presence." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5
________________________________________________________
NOTE: If they taught the beginning was the end, followed by the reverse-- how can they claim to be consistent in that teaching?
_____________________________________________________
Example #3
Outright Lying:
Actually taught:
"Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble."Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
Lying about it:
"Jehovah's Witnesses have consistently shown from the Scriptures that the year 1914 marked the beginning of this world's time of the end and that "the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men" has drawn near." Watchtower 1993 Aug 15 p.9
________________________________________________
NOTE: Attributing a false claim to God Himself is blasphemy (see above: "They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours."
_________________________________________________
Example #4
BLAMESHIFTING
(When would annointed go to heaven?)
"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... "Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come(1908 ed.) p.228
(Vague language: ) "There is no doubt that many throughout this period were overzealous in their statements as to what could be expected. Some read into the Watch Tower statements that were never intended." Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose p.52
"Their thoughts and desires had been fixed primarily on the prospect of being changed to heavenly life. When this did not occur at the anticipated time, they closed their minds to the significance of the amazing things that did take place in 1914. They lost sight of all the precious truths that they had learned from God’s Word, and they began to ridicule the people who had helped them to learn these." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.636
(Note: What significance did they close their mind to? False statements as to the events, the date and the details of the prediction? What else is left?)
__________________________________
Example#5:
IMAGINARY FACTS & PROOF
"Bible prophecy shows that the Lord was due to appear for the second time in the year 1874. Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that he did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable." Watchtower 1922 Nov 1 p.333
"The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D." Prophecy 1929 pp.65,66
____________________________________
Example #6:
DISTORTING IMAGINARY FACTS & PROOF
"The prophecy of the Bible, fully supported by the physical facts in fulfilment thereof, shows that the second coming of Christ dates from the fall of the year 1914."What is Truth? (1932) p.48
________________________________
Note: The same "facts" support contradictory dates!
_________________________________
Example #6
DOUBLE STANDARD
"No, the UN is not a blessing, even though the religious clergy of Christendom and the rabbis of Jewry pray heaven’s blessing upon that organization. It is really “the image of the wild beast,” the visible political, commercial organization of “the god of this system of things,” Satan the Devil. So the UN will soon be destroyed along with that beastly organization."Watchtower 1984 Sep 15 p.15
"A person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such asbecoming part of an organisation whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and hence is under judgement by Jehovah God. (Compare Rev 19:17-21; Isaiah 2:4) So if one who was a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he had disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." Watchtower Sept 15th 1981 pg. 23
"Jehovah's Witnesses maintain neutrality with regard to the political and military affairs of the nations. (John 17:16; rs pp. 269-76) ... Since true dedicated Christians are "no part of the world," if a member of the congregation unrepentantly pursues a course in violation of his Christian neutrality, he thereby disassociates himself from the neutral Christian congregation. (John 15:19; 17:14-16; w82 1/15 p. 31)" "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"p.140
"The United Nations is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth." Watchtower 1987 Sep 1 p.20
"Human governments have schemed to form the most brazen and defiant conspiracy against divine rule that has ever existed. (Compare Isaiah 8:11-13.) They have done so, not once, but twice, creating first the League of Nations and then the United Nations." Awake! 1990 Dec 8 p.24
______________________________________
Example #7
FALSE PROPHECY re: 1925
NOTE: Deuteronomy 18:21-22 "and in case you should say in your heart, "how shall we know the word that Jehovah has NOT spoken" when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak ."
"... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217
"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed." Watch Tower 1922 Sep 1 p.262
"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 p.106
"The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914;…" Watchtower 1924 Jul 15 p.211
COMPARE THE ABOVE with AFTER 1925:
“It was stated in the 'Millions' book that we might reasonably expect them to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion; besides it is still shortly after 1925. ... Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything.” Watch Tower 1926 pp.196,232
______________________________________________________
COMPARE THE ABOVE with BEFORE 1925:
"We cannot be blamed for presenting from the Scriptures such evidence as they afford which leads us to believe that a certain event will take place at a given time. Some times the Lord has let His people looking for the right thing at the wrong time, and more frequently they have looked for the wrong things at the right time. But all the enemies of the cause of present truth in the earth are fervently hoping that the Bible students will not be so successful in 1925 in looking for the right thing at the right time as they were in 1914. if they are, however, it will be the other fellow that will have to do the explaining, and not we." Golden Age 1924 Feb 13 p.314
________________________________________________________
Example #8
COVER UP
“We are determined to be loyal to Jehovah and to his organization. This organization hasnever disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from God’s Word.” Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.12
COMPARE ABOVE WITH:
“So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: “1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were stumbled; their hopes were dashed. They had hoped to see some of the ‘ancient worthies’ [men of old like Abraham] resurrected. Instead of its being considered a ‘probability,’ they read into it that it was a ‘certainty,’ and some prepared for their own loved ones with expectancy of their resurrection.”” Yearbook 1975 p.146
Mark 9: 42 " But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith, it would be better for him if a millstone that is turned by a donkey were put around his neck and he were pitched into the sea."
_________________________________________________
Note:
Forensic Data Analysis
It examines structured data with regard to incidents of any discrepancy. The aim is to discover and analyse patterns of fraud, deception. -
18
A frothy question ABOUT DEMONS
by Terry inhave you ever been to a circus and seen a "clown car"?.
the little "bug" volkswagon drives out and clowns get out.
lots and lots and lots and lots of clowns!.
-
-
Terry
There is a line in the play/film INHERIT THE WIND where the evangelist who is testifying as an expert on the Bible is asked a series of practical questions about Bible stories which the theologian is unable to answer.
The Bible expert says, "I don't think about those things."
The defense attorney replies, "Do you ever think about the things you DO think about?"
_________________
I think this applies to all the silly, illogical, irrational, nonsensical things we TOTALLY ACCEPTED as true when we were J-Dubs.
Why don't we give ourselves permission to ask common sense questions and then
come to accept the fact they are UNanswerable with common sense answers. -
18
A frothy question ABOUT DEMONS
by Terry inhave you ever been to a circus and seen a "clown car"?.
the little "bug" volkswagon drives out and clowns get out.
lots and lots and lots and lots of clowns!.
-
-
Terry
A man wants to have sex with his wife after returning from a long trip away from home.
His father-in-law tells him something which enrages this returned husband.
The family had thought he wasn't coming back and had deserted the wife. As a consequence, she had been given to
another man: a Philistine!
This triggers an unprecedented rage in the sociopath husband.
The stage has been set for what he considers "payback."
JUDGES CHAPTER 15:
14 When he came to Le′hi, the Phi·lis′tines shouted triumphantly at meeting him. Then Jehovah’s spirit empowered him,+ and the ropes on his arms became like linen threads that were scorched with fire, and his fetters melted off his hands.+ 15 He now found a fresh jawbone of a male donkey; he reached out and grabbed it and struck down 1,000 men with it.+ 16 Then Samson said: “With the jawbone of a donkey—one heap, two heaps! With the jawbone of a donkey I struck down 1,000 men.”+
(NWT @ JW.org)
_____________________________
Who in their right mind would regard this account as even minimally feasible?
Bruce Lee took on a dozen men (who were courteous enough to attack him by one's and two's) and defeated them in his Chinese films.
But, armed Philistines numbering 1,000 could not have been defeated even if they had lined
up to be killed (which they wouldn't have done.)
___________________________________
Isn't this incredible biographical account of Samson really a thin plagiarism of the Labors of Hercules?
-
18
A frothy question ABOUT DEMONS
by Terry inhave you ever been to a circus and seen a "clown car"?.
the little "bug" volkswagon drives out and clowns get out.
lots and lots and lots and lots of clowns!.
-
-
Terry
Have you ever been to a Circus and seen a "Clown Car"?The little "bug" Volkswagon drives out and clowns get out. Lots and lots and lots and lots of Clowns!
Do you have that image in your mind?
Okay--why is it in the New Testament a Legion of demons cram into one person?
5,000 men made up a Roman Legion!1. Why so many (5000?) clown demons packed into one demon-possessed person?
2. What size is a demon, anyway?
3. Is it comfortable to be crammed into some idiot?
4. When Jesus "cast out" the demons into the herd of swine . . . the swine drowned in the sea. Now what? Were they trapped under water?
Can demons swim? Do demons have to "fit" into any life form? Do they get stuck?
So, you see--I have too much time on my hands. However, if we're supposed to take these things seriously, shouldn't they make some kind of real sense?
___________________________Yes, I must confess, these are actually rhetorical questions.
I do like to QUESTION the basic premise of things we have swallowed whole (gulping down the camel, so to speak.)
If you read the entire Hebrew Bible you don't find Satan described as the sort of demon found regularly in the Christian Bible. I mean, Satan was STILL IN HEAVEN and not Disfellowshipped by Jehovah. So, something is awry here . . .
As an afterthought, I'll add one last tiny query."Why bother destroying wicked mankind in the days of Noah and then NOT having a Day of Judgment immediately afterward?
Isn't that stupid? By allowing humans to continue to breed sinful offspring, inevitably the world is right back where it was before the flood.
Why have TWO ARMAGEDDONS?
The flood was BEFORE the law of Moses. Mankind had NOT been condemned by the Law, so there was no need for Jesus to live up to and fulfill the law.
Seems screwy to me--but what do I know? I'm no Theologian. -
46
THOUGHTS ON UPGRADING TO (Free) WINDOWS 10
by Terry ini've been using windows 7 for several years and have had no complaints.. i've tried many browsers and settled on google chrome.
it has absolutely everything i want or need.. i kept hearing about the free upgrade to windows 10, so i went to youtube and watched endless "reviews" pro and con.. what pushed me over the (microsoft edge) was the fact i could test drive the new operating system.
for 30 days and go back to windows 7 if i didn't like it!
-
-
Terry
GodZoo:
Lol..this makes me laugh.. no matter what Terry asks, on any subject, no matter what, he always absolutely, right, in everything, forever..
Even when he asks your opinion or experience on anything.. he's always absolutely right about that too.. in everything, forever. Need know what you feel? Ask Terry. Need to know what you know? Ask Terry.
Reminds me of God's conversation with Job.. pretending to ask questions when in fact God was right about everything all the time.
Incredible. That's quite a gift you have there Terry. Humans must bore you so much
___________________________________________I'm glad you are laughing. We should enjoy life.
Correct me if I err, but didn't YOU say this about yourself on another thread?
_____________________GodZoo:
I have an incredibly strong and accurate intuition sense that if I look back on I can not recall it ever being wrong.
_____________________Mister Pot, meet Mister Kettle :) Which of you is "black"? :)
______________
Also, on a Discussion Group, we should leave room for other people to express their opinions.
After reading your posts, I'm wondering which of is willing to allow room for other people to express opinions without unnecessarily injecting animus, invective, pejoratives and Ad Hominem into it.
But still--thank you for sharing. It is good to have the Cons with the Pros.
_________
Go back and read my opening paragraph which ended:
"Anywaaaaaay . . .
I sound like a shill for Microsoft now and I am embarrassed.
As I run into problems, I'll post those too. But, I thought I'd start the topic so the lovers and haters have a place to vent "
-
21
RESPONSIBILITY vs. "moral" Responsibility (What is the distinction and what is the difference?)
by Terry inthis is not intended to be a highbrow discussion!.
you ( ought ) to pay me back that $100.
.. bank loan.
-
-
Terry
Ruby456a day ago
terry - i'm questioning this
(opheílō) "originally belonged to the legal sphere; it expressed initially one's legal and economic, and then later one'smoral, duties and responsibilities to the gods and to men, or to their sacrosanct regulations. . . . opheílō expresses human and ethical responsibility in the NT"
______________
Try these, Ruby
STRONG'S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE
THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON
both are available online
-
46
THOUGHTS ON UPGRADING TO (Free) WINDOWS 10
by Terry ini've been using windows 7 for several years and have had no complaints.. i've tried many browsers and settled on google chrome.
it has absolutely everything i want or need.. i kept hearing about the free upgrade to windows 10, so i went to youtube and watched endless "reviews" pro and con.. what pushed me over the (microsoft edge) was the fact i could test drive the new operating system.
for 30 days and go back to windows 7 if i didn't like it!
-
-
Terry
Terry, do you use Microsoft Edge? The guy at the store told me when I bought it that Microsoft released it a bit too soon before they could get the kinks out so I"ve never really used it, what do you think of it?
_________________________
Edge is okay, but it is flabby and unexciting compared to Google Chrome. I've tried Firefox too and Google just can't be beaten so far.
But Microsoft Edge will do basic things competently and without upset.
Two things to consider.1. If you are accustomed to hammering nails with your shoe heel, it works fine for you. So, if somebody hands you a hammer--its quite an exciting upgrade in technology.
2. If you are accustomed to hammering nails with a hammer, and somebody hands you a shoe--it's not the same experience. Both work, right? But I mean--really? :)
