Joseph Franklin Rutherford was an odd duck who pretty much replaced Jesus as the star of the show with
a completely novel throwback REBRANDING for Christianity as Jehovah-ianity.
Did Rutherford get anything right?
Complete failures:
1. Allowing and promoting THE FINISHED MYSTERY
2. Agreeing to promote war bonds
3. Millions Now Living May - no wait! not "may" let's say WILL Never Die.
4. Predicting 1925
5. Building Beth Sarim AFTER the failure of 1925 and pretending it wasn't for himself.
6. Continuing with the Pyramid teaching for over a decade and then suddenly flipping
7. Complete script-flip on interpreting Romans 13
8. Letter to Hitler
9. Bullying Moyle and dragging his dirty laundry out in the open
10. Making a fetish out of alcohol and bellowing about how PROHIBITION was backed by Satan
11. Strutting around with 2 12 cylinder cadillacs
And so on ...
Making Jehovah's kingdom replace Jesus on the Watchtower cover was really wrong-headed.
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10Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?
by Terry inall throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!
no jay sound.. .
why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?
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Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?
by Terry inall throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!
no jay sound.. .
why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?
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Iloowy, goowy said: This silliness about insisting English speakers pronounce names in Hebrew not English, is for the birds.
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I feel that Jehovah's Witnesses IF THEY WERE SERIOUS scholars themselves, would make an "adjustment" toward being more accurate if, for no other reason, they have made a FETISH out of using the name.
Encyclopedia Britannica:
Early Christian writers, such as St. Clement of Alexandria in the 2nd century, had used a form like Yahweh, and this pronunciation of the tetragrammaton was never really lost. Many Greek transcriptions also indicated that YHWH should be pronounced Yahweh.
More "respectful" and more nearly accurate are not, however, to be expected of this organization. They are contrarian in every way possible to the point of absurdity.
The instance of "torture stake" is practically pathological, IMHO.
The elite Governing Body has never, ever been afraid of "taking the Lord's Name in vain" as evidenced by all the false prophecies they've published for over a hundred years. Always in the "name of Jehovah." -
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Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?
by Terry inall throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!
no jay sound.. .
why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?
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Waton, thank you!
I should have spent thirty seconds looking that up on Google! -
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Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?
by Terry inall throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!
no jay sound.. .
why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?
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So why do we call the Hebrew hero of Jericho Joshua and the Christian Messiah Jesus? Because the New Testament was originally written in Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic. Greeks did not use the sound sh, so the evangelists substituted an S sound. Then, to make it a masculine name, they added another S sound at the end. The earliest written version of the name Jesus is Romanized today as Iesous.
The initial J didn’t come until much later.
That sound was foreign to Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. Note:
Not even English distinguished J from I until the mid-17th century.
Thus, the 1611 King James Bible refers to Jesus as “Iesus” and his father as “Ioseph.”
The current spelling likely came from Switzerland, where J sounds more like the English Y. When English Protestants fled to Switzerland during the reign of the Catholic Queen Mary I, they drafted the Geneva Bible and used the Swiss spelling. Translators in England adopted the Geneva spelling by 1769.
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Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?
by Terry inall throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!
no jay sound.. .
why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?
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**Correction**
Above I made the statement:
Jesus is very rarely DIRECTLY quoted in the NT in Aramaic.
He was not speaking Greek but the NT is (thanks to the 70 translators) written in Greek.
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Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?
by Terry inall throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!
no jay sound.. .
why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?
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DID YOU KNOW?All throughout history in Greek, Hebrew, and Latin languages - there was no J sound! NO JAY SOUND.Why did Christians start using a non-Hebrew name for the Son of God?
BLAME THE PAGANS!
A name that can't even be pronounced in Greek or Hebrew because neither alphabet has the J sound changed everything!In fact, (brace yourself) THERE WAS NO SUCH NAME as Jesus.The actual Hebrew name was:יהושע (yehoshu'a, and we think of that as JOSHUA.A related Old Testament language is Aramaic and so:ישוע (yeshuAre you still with me?I can keep going if you keep on reading...Alexander the Great conquered the ancient world country by country and when he died all those conquered lands were split up into kingdoms by Alexander's generals.So what?So this had an EXTRAORDINARY IMPACT on language, culture, philosophy, and religion. GREEK was Sort of like a giant meteor impact.Most ancient JEWS (ha! see the letter J?) started speaking GREEK and eventually lost the ability to read or to talk in HEBREW or ARAMAIC. Greek became the international common language.
Jesus is very rarely DIRECTLY quoted in the NT in Aramaic. He was not speaking Greek but the NT is (thanks to the 70 translators) written in Greek.What good were the ancient writings (Old Testament) to Jews if they couldn't read them?None. 200 years before B.C. became A.D. a body of 70 translators set to work and out comes a NEW version of the Hebrew and Aramaic into GREEK (it was called Septuagint which means the 70).(Hebrew scholars always and still do learn Hebrew and can read it and write it) but ordinary folks did not/could not.If I haven't lost you yet - let's go one level deeper, shall we?Get it? Those are ALL the very SAME name!Translations into GERMAN used the German letter J for those words and why? BECAUSE IN GERMAN, J is pronounced like Y.When copyists (scribes) started copying the Bible and they came to the letter I (pronounced yuh) they put a flourish in the script - a sort of tail (called a swash) and it looks like this: J.YESHUA became JOSHUA and I Ἰησοῦς (iesous) became JESUS.
Aha! It was pretty but now it became pretty confusing.
Christ or Christos is PAGAN Greek. Jesus is pagan Greek.
Jehovah is Catholic Spanish derived from pagan Latin and mispronounced with J sound.So you get - in the Restoration/Lutheran Middle Ages - Bibles that had ‘Jacob’ and ‘Joseph’ and ‘Joshua’ and ‘Jesus’ and ‘Judah’ - all spelled with J BUT PRONOUNCED AS Y (would be in English).The German ‘Jude’ is pronounced ‘Y’hudah’. It means ‘Jew’, which is an English word derived from - guess where - ‘Jude’.Except English DOES have a ‘J’ sound.This also means there was no such name as JEHOVAH either!Four Hebrew letter (yod he vav he) was not pronounced for fear of "taking God's name in vain." יְהֹוָה Yəhōwā, Remove the vowels - they were never written down...Years later, some cultures began using the "I" for the vowel sound and "J" for a "Y" sound. It was not until around 1500 AD that the letter J took on the "dg" sound we are familiar with today.The name JEHOVAH was invented by Catholic scholar (and anti-Semite) Raymundus Martini in 1270 A.D.English translator William Tyndale selected Martini's Jehovah for God's name and introduced it to English speakers in 1522. English speakers mistakenly used the J (sound juh) instead of Y sound (yuh).SUMMING UP in CONCLUSIONNobody used the names Jehovah or Jesus historically until the sixteenth century A.D. or Common Era.
Pagan names were used employing Greek and Latin and later mispronounced in English as variants.)If you are sensitive about saying American INDIANS instead of "Native Americans" - then be consistent about Yeshua too. Or - if you are a Jehovah's Witness and so pedantic about everything else - why not be accurate as possible when it comes to the Name of God and His son?
Biblical scholars around the world use YAHWEH because it is as close as possible as we can get but JW's are pig-headed, obstinate, and - duh - contrarian in every detail.
Jesus spoke in Aramaic but is rarely EXACTLY quoted in our Pagan New Testament.
"And these leftovers from Aramaic caused most scholars to say he probably spoke most of the time in Aramaic, which was a Semitic language — it was related to Hebrew, and very much like Hebrew in Judea and Galilee at that time. This means we probably don’t have the very words of Jesus all the time because he didn’t speak in Greek, and what we have is Greek. The New Testament was written in Greek originally, and we read it in our translations. And so, even if he sometimes taught in Greek, which he may well have, readers of English today don’t have the very words because they’re reading English."- “Talitha cumi” in Mark 5:41
- “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” in Mark 15:34
- “Ephphatha”in Mark 7:34
- “Abba” in Mark 14:36
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IMHO the finest TV interview with Ex-JW's ever broadcast!
by Terry inquite effective and enjoyable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijzvt_jptx8&t=1306s.
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I like the gruff but fair get-to-the-point manner and style of the moderator.
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Beards- just told by an elder
by dothemath ini know this subject has been talked about lots over the years, just thought i would share a recent finding from canada.. while visiting with a group of friends, an elder (don’t recall how the subject came up) mentioned the local body had voted to allow brothers with beards be allowed to give talks from the platform.
(it was a very close vote).
the direction given was for each congregation to decide for themselves if that is now acceptable.. so some congregations will be for, and for many it will not.. it’ll probably be a long time before we see any pictures on the watchtower where they’re allowing this though..
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Tyrants savor CONTROL but scared Tyrants must appear benevolent.
I think the pressures on all sides are making the GB pick which hills to die on.
Think how stupid and incomprehensible it is to say: "Growing a beard is a matter of conscience."
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IMHO the finest TV interview with Ex-JW's ever broadcast!
by Terry inquite effective and enjoyable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijzvt_jptx8&t=1306s.
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Quite effective and enjoyable.
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(Poppa was a ) GUITAR MAN
by Terry in(poppa was a) guitar manpoppa drank from muddy waters made three sons and then four daughtersmomma owns the things he bought her for a songshe lived like old blind lemonbut his messin’ with wild women done her wrongi found him in new orleans livin’ off one of his darlingsin a jail drunk on rye whisky just becausehe’d broken every law there ever wasi bailed his sorry ass out, took him home and watched him pass outthen he woke up, swore he’d do it all againfriends tell me not to bother, i’ll become just like my fatherin bars on bad guitars like my old manhe’d sing:“there’s no harm in harmony and nothin’ fair about farewell,one of these days i’ll mend my waysor end up down in hell.”_____(i got) one old silver dollar in a suitcase in the parlorpoppa’s porkpie hat and coat are down the hallgonna break a pawn shop window snatch his guitar quick and then gograb a southbound bus to nachadoches townbar chords earn my living, and some women are forgivingwhen i sing the things the lady loves to heargirls with lonely faces sipping beer in lowdown placesguitar man’s the candy for her earnow i sing:“darlin’ i sure love you, my oh my if you piss me off this bird is gonna flyboo-yah - why oh why ohdo i do the thing that makes my baby cry?”______you can live for love or glory but the moral of this storyis that fate determines “what, where, when, and why”some of us are teachers, plumbers, bums, or holy preachersin the end my friend, we’re all a-gonna die_______poppa was a guitar man he sang the blues but had no plannow i’m the acorn from his crooked oak, i play for drunks and sing for mealsor break a window and i stealjust go ahead and laugh but i’m no joke________some cats fall - land on their toes (but that’s just how their story goes)dogs chase cars - run over on the roadi pluck, and slide, and moan and waili got my tiger by its tailall a man can do is bear his load________bar chords earn my living, but some women are forgivingwhen i sing the things the ladies love to hearthose girls with lonely faces sipping beer in lowdown placesthis guitar man is the candy for their ears___________i got one old silver dollar that he left me when he diedmomma cried and called to tell me at the bar.
i told her i was sorry, she said,.
“you know what you are?”i guess i maybe should have, could have lied.
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I preesh ya BB!
The Blues is honest, unadorned, humble, and often redemptive even coming from a rascal or two :)
