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  In All Honesty, Are You A Happier Person Now Than when You Were A JW?

  by minimus in

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  jws say, "the apostates are miserable!!

  ".....do you feel miserable?

  (i don't).

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  doogie

  wow...this is a tough one. i'm kind of with DSJ on this one.

  first of all, i was not really happy when i was in it. my truly happy memories were always when i was doing things that would eventually get me in trouble...

  i gotta say though, that so far for me, being out sucks. it doesn't suck the same way as being in, but it still sucks. i know these things take time and i hate that i'm proving them right in a sense by not being happier than i am right now, but i think this will pass with time. the emotional and mental abuse you sustain while in the org just doesn't allow for happiness at my current stage of the detox process. i just don't think it's possible right now. i still have to grieve for my childhood and my future with my family and friends.

  it's all relative though...knowing what i know now, if i were to go back to the religion, only then would i realize what unhappiness really is. so in that respect, i'm basically jumping up and down for friggin joy right now.
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  new world translation inaccuracies

  by doogie in

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  hey guys.. i know, it's a little early for this...but i started thinking about it last night and couldn't get past it.. i'm in the process of moving and last night i was packing up some books.

  lo and behold...i come across a copy of the new world translation.

  should i pack it?

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  doogie

  BTY - what is the answer to the question regarding who translated the NWT and why they keep it a secret?

  it was translated primarily by fred franz (or so says CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE). Ray Franz said that it was probably almost only Fred because at the time of the translation, he was the only one fluent enough in the biblical languages to complete such a task.

  makes you think...THE bible for JW's was pretty much written by one man. or should i say, 'a committee of one man'.
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  new world translation inaccuracies

  by doogie in

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  hey guys.. i know, it's a little early for this...but i started thinking about it last night and couldn't get past it.. i'm in the process of moving and last night i was packing up some books.

  lo and behold...i come across a copy of the new world translation.

  should i pack it?

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  doogie

  thanks richie. that's some good stuff. since i'm not exactly fluent in greek, this helps a lot.
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  CTR,Pittsburg,1878

  by badboy in

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  it is reputed that some followers of ctr gathered at a bridge in pittsburg for the end of the world.. it is also alleged that ctr was there in white robes.

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  doogie

  "How dare you wear white. I hear what you do in your bedroom at night..." -- Principal Skinner's Mom
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  new world translation inaccuracies

  by doogie in

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  hey guys.. i know, it's a little early for this...but i started thinking about it last night and couldn't get past it.. i'm in the process of moving and last night i was packing up some books.

  lo and behold...i come across a copy of the new world translation.

  should i pack it?

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  doogie

  hey guys.

  i know, it's a little early for this...but i started thinking about it last night and couldn't get past it.

  i'm in the process of moving and last night i was packing up some books. lo and behold...i come across a copy of the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION. should i pack it? should i pitch it? should i use the paper for smokes? (i heard of one 'worldly' guy that would request a new bible every couple of months back home. turns out the super thin pages were perfect for rolling his doobies. i thought that was pretty hilarious.)

  anyway, my question:

  what are the inaccuracies of the NWT? i've heard that certain passages have been 'modified' and are completely different from other translations and also that certain words are inconsistently translated within the NWT itself. does anyone have any examples of these errors? i'd love to take a look at some of these for myself.

  thanks -- doogs
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  in their own words

  by doogie in

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  i just read and article from the watchtower.org site entitled "can i worship god in my own way?".

  i thought, "hey!, this is great.

  spiritual food at the proper time!".

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  doogie

  i just wonder how new ones get into the org. i just mean...well, i don't really 'wonder'. i understand that controlling statements truly can control people.

  i was raised in it, so it doesn't really apply, but i'm just amazed that my father wasn't able to see through this "outline". he's one smart dude. but i guess that's not the point.

  oh, what we'll do for the company of a lady...
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  in their own words

  by doogie in

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  i just read and article from the watchtower.org site entitled "can i worship god in my own way?".

  i thought, "hey!, this is great.

  spiritual food at the proper time!".

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  doogie

  my girlfriend hates the word "bladder". that's kind of for other reasons, but anyway...
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  in their own words

  by doogie in

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  i just read and article from the watchtower.org site entitled "can i worship god in my own way?".

  i thought, "hey!, this is great.

  spiritual food at the proper time!".

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  doogie

  i just read and article from the watchtower.org site entitled "CAN I WORSHIP GOD IN MY OWN WAY?". i thought, "hey!, this is great. spiritual food at the proper time!"

  well, i couldn't make it through the whole article (i guess it was a series of articles, but in any case...). i really did want to read them because i genuinely want to see how they arrive at the solutions/beliefs that they do. because of my perspective on things now, i just want to see them start from zero and prove their stance on an issue that i'm interested in as they would to someone who knew nothing of the org (this article in particuliar was from AWAKE, so i figured it would be a bit fluffier and more geared toward brand new 'recruits').

  i was surprisingly disappointed.

  now that i think of it, i see in almost every article basically the same blueprint (you all are probably way ahead of me and noticed this years ago. anyway...):

  1. start with easily proveable 'facts'. although these are definitely hand-picked to forward an as-yet-unstated view and usually do not admit to contrasting 'facts'.

  2. show how the situation involved is changing (i.e. for the article i just read, it talked about how society in general is turning away from organized religion).

  3. they subtly start to allude that the change is for the worse.

  and then, 4. the article makes an incomprehensible leap showing how the society is the answer.

  yeah, i didn't really learn anything. i hate the words, "Certainly,..." or "Clearly,..." or "Thus,...". man, those are just leading words and they force the opinion as if it was undeniably true. i guess now that i'm out, i just feel more duped then ever.

  that's funny...i sound surprised.
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  i was just reading some of the first posts on this board...i'm gonna barf

  by doogie in

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  hey guys,.

  i was just reading some of the early, early posts and...oh, man...please excuse me.... ok...you know how you always feel better after you've been sick?

  anyway.... i didn't know this board started out with...umm...a very different attitude towards the jw's.

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  doogie

  doogie, you are going to come up for air some time while you are reading over 3500 pages of posts?

  yeah...well, i don't have a lot going on.
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  i was just reading some of the first posts on this board...i'm gonna barf

  by doogie in

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  hey guys,.

  i was just reading some of the early, early posts and...oh, man...please excuse me.... ok...you know how you always feel better after you've been sick?

  anyway.... i didn't know this board started out with...umm...a very different attitude towards the jw's.

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  doogie

  In the beginning......you couldn't be outrightly vs. the Watchtower. Most of the boards S L O W L Y introduced dissension and "apostate" ideas. Even certain "prominent" ones got into the internet board craze until "Mother" said otherwise.

  that's funny. i remember announcements when i was still active that certain websites "although claiming to be witnesses" promote apostate ideas...and then of course, "certainly, a TRUE christian would ONLY use the internet to go to WWW.WATCHTOWER.ORG". man, it's funny how stuff comes back to you...(shiver)