I want to let all of you know that we have decided not to contest the Elders decision to publicly reprove us tonight. After a lot of thought, we feel in the long run that by letting this go ahead it will only make the Elders and the organization look guilty, not us.
The elders have basically ordered us not to talk about what our "crime" is with anyone. So we have decided that we will tell others what our crime was NOT, i.e. "we were not reprooved for fornication, not for drunkeness, not for gambling, not for smoking, etc". This, coupled with the fact that a least a few do know what it is for, may hopefully help to open the eyes of even one or two people. If not, then it may plant a seed that will linger in their minds.
I thank all of you for overwhelming support, advice, and encouragement. My wife (Mrs BadWillie) was truly blown away by the response our story generated yesterday. Thanks again!
- BadWillie.
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Public Reproof will be made as scheduled.
by badwillie ini want to let all of you know that we have decided not to contest the elders decision to publicly reprove us tonight.
after a lot of thought, we feel in the long run that by letting this go ahead it will only make the elders and the organization look guilty, not us.. the elders have basically ordered us not to talk about what our "crime" is with anyone.
so we have decided that we will tell others what our crime was not, i.e.
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my letter to WTS - RE: the UN problem
by badwillie infor anyone who's interested, here is what i wrote:.
watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights.
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I WANT a reply, and I will frame it and hang it on my wall if I get one! I Fedexed the letter and I will get the signature of whoever receives it. If I get no reply then at least I have the proof that they deliberately left me hangin'.
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NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.
by badwillie inmy wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.
i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.
my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.
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Thanks Nic!
I will consider everything very carefully.
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NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.
by badwillie inmy wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.
i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.
my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.
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I am in 2 minds over this. First of all I do sort of want to get on with my life now that I have come to terms with all that has happened.
I was indoctrinated starting at the age of 10, baptized at 17 (1984), and I am now 34 years old. I have a lot of living to do now that I am free. I also have a beautiful 1 year old boy now too.
But also, the "BadWillie" side of me really does want to SCREAM OUT my side of the story for the whole world to hear. In the last month, since I started discovering the real "truth" about the WTS, I have had to internalize so much anger. I have driven home from work many nights shouting curse words at the GB! But, I still am not sure how many people at the even the top level are acting in a devious manner. In fact, Ray Franz even says this in both his books. So, aren't most of the members of the WTS victims themselves? How bad is the corruption at the top? As I said, I really would like to expose this if I thought I could do it without bringing too much harn to my family.
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Badwillie's Situation - PISSED OFF
by Trilobite ini for one am throughly fed up and royally pissed off with the crap from this organization.. if badwillie will set up a paypal account i will send money to it.
any other takers?.
badwillie - if you agree to this, and there is sufficient support, then get yourself a high powered attorney and sue their asses off.. also: if you do agree, how about we let the guardian know what we are doing.. t.
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Trilo & Path,
I am in 2 minds over this. First of all I do sort of want to get on with my life now that I have come to terms with all that has happened.
I was indoctrinated starting at the age of 10, baptized at 17 (1984), and I am now 34 years old. I have a lot of living to do now that I am free. I also have a beautiful 1 year old boy now too.
But also, the "BadWillie" side of me really does want to SCREAM OUT my side of the story for the whole world to hear. In the last month, since I started discovering the real "truth" about the WTS, I have had to internalize so much anger. I have driven home from work many nights shouting curse words at the GB! But, I still am not sure how many people at the even the top level are acting in a devious manner. In fact, Ray Franz even says this in both his books. So, aren't most of the members of the WTS victims themselves? How bad is the corruption at the top? As I said, I really would like to expose this if I thought I could do it without bringing too much harn to my family.
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Badwillie's Situation - PISSED OFF
by Trilobite ini for one am throughly fed up and royally pissed off with the crap from this organization.. if badwillie will set up a paypal account i will send money to it.
any other takers?.
badwillie - if you agree to this, and there is sufficient support, then get yourself a high powered attorney and sue their asses off.. also: if you do agree, how about we let the guardian know what we are doing.. t.
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Trilo-
I appreciate those sentiments. Someone here posted that I have 7 years in which I could pursue legal action. One thing to note here:
The elders took action not for us merely LOOKING at the information. But for us SHARING it with others, and also trying to interpret what it all meant. Don't forget, my sharing the UN thing with my friend spawned a 2 hour conversation where we covered everything from Beth-Sarim to Ray Franz and beyond. This was a 2 way discussion however. The elders are aware of EVERYTHING that was discussed. When they interviewed my friend about it, he did make it clear to them that it was not my intention to try to persuade or convert him to my way of thinking in any way. Now what do you say?
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NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.
by badwillie inmy wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.
i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.
my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.
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Path,
You are so right. You have no idea how much butt I kissed to avoid disfellowshipping. I said very little during the 2 hearings. The funny thing is that as I showed my friend the UN website he actually starting to be visibly affected by what he was reading (the criteria for attaining NGO status). After this I got up to leave to let him draw his own conclusions. He insisted I stay because he said he had some doubts and questions of his own. He actually took the lead in al ot of our conversation...the problem is, I initiated it. This seems to be what the elders are focusing on. In all of this none of the elders that I know of has investigated any of my findings. However, I have written to the Society, this is a fact they are aware of. A copy of my letter is posted on this forum as well.
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Just leaving? come to the convention.
by borgfree ini will start by saying, i am not a part of the ministry sponsoring the convention and i have nothing to gain (materially) by promoting the convention.. when i left the organization, i did not know what i would do, i would not go to 'babylon the great' so i planned to just live my life as best i could.
someone invited me to the 'witnesses now for jesus' convention, i said i would not go, but changed my mind at the last moment and went anyway.
going to that convention changed my life forever.
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Borgfree (great name by the way),
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Years in v. Years Out
by Billygoat ini'd like to find out how many years collectively we have acquired in the wts.
please list how many years you were/have been a jw.
please also list how many years you have been out.
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NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.
by badwillie inmy wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.
i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.
my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.
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Dino-
This was handled VERY quickly. I can't imagine that they had time to check this out with Brooklyn. I am under the impression that they have made this decision solely at their own discretion. One of the elders made the remark repeatedly of "cutting out the cancer" before it spreads through the congregation. What do you think?
- BadWillie.