You said there is a apostafest in Butte, Montana? I live in Billings, Montana. Tell me more about apostafest.
bajarama
You said there is a apostafest in Butte, Montana? I live in Billings, Montana. Tell me more about apostafest.
bajarama
i am very interested to know how all of you feel about the subject of death and the future.
do you fear death?
what do you think are the possibilities for the future?.
There are no sure answers. Only questions. I do hope after this short life somebody has another party planned.
R.V.S.P.
bajarama
dear friends,.
i wanted to take a moment to remember a friend.
he was a jehovah's witness and was raised in the same insane environment that i was.
I heard on a news program that hard drugs in America claim about 8,000 to 9,000 lives a year. I wonder how many lives are lost due to the watchtower's hardline policys on blood, df'ings and others.
bajarama
i think i remember reading somewhere here about how some poor df'd sister's car broke down on the way home from a meeting once and none of the brothers would stop to help.
it made somebody ashamed, as well it should have!.
here's a twist: the son of the local p.o.
Don't forget these are the same people who would watch their child die, rather than let their child have a blood tranfussion to save the child's life.
If I saw a witness stranded that I knew was an jackass like that guy. I would drive by real slow honking and waving, and I hope I would have someone else in the car who would drop his doors and stick his arse out the window and give that self rightous ms witness the full moon treatment.
DOWN WITH THE WATCHTOWER[>:(]
bajarama
the measurement of evil is the subject of the article at this link; i find the tribal behavior discribed of interest to former jws: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010511/hl/psychiatry_evil_1.html.
enjoy,.
sam beli
Hi Sam,
Welcome!!! I was born a into the world of the witnesses in the year 1975. I remember people out in service talking about 75 from time to time. I asked my parents what happened and they always said the watchtower had nothing to do with the hype about that year. In the last few years I've found out that my parents are under wtb mind control.
As the rest of you know the watchtower invented the whole thing.
bajarama
The watchy watchtower sat on the wall. The watchy watchtower had a great fall. All the king horses and all the kings men could not put the watchtower together again. SORRY
hi, i need some advice from those here who may have gone before me in a situation similar to this.
i have to explain the problem first so bear with me please :).
i've posted a few times before briefly explaining my current situation.
In America when you're arrested a cop states your rights. One of the things your told, "You have the right to remain silent, anything you say, can and will be used against you in a court of law". With the elders or any witness this same rule is in effect.
It sounds like the elders will have more than one witness against you if they decide to try to bring you before a judicial commitee. It all depends on what you wrote in the letter to your family. If you wrote about any df'ing worthy matters, I believe the elders will call a judicial commitee. At that point you will have few options.
Go or don't go.
I wouldn't give the elders satisfaction of grillin' me.
You need to decide where you stand on the issues. I suggest finding the web site "beyond jehovah" I don't remember the url but you can go to dogpile.com and search under "beyond jehovah" or "jehovah's witness". Do some more research and then make a firm descion.
You never mentioned if you were baptized or not, it sounds like you are though?
I would say the next move will be the elders. I would try to let fade, don't go to meetings. You said that your moving soon is there any way you can leave earlier? I would get out of town or play it real low key, don't answer the phone, don't answer the door (the elders even showed up at my work place). I wouldn't even stir the pot with the family for a long time, try to let die. If you can just fade away from the whole witness scene, just maybe the elders will let you go with out being shunned.
Maybe one of the old elders on this board can tell you how to avoid the elders til' you leave town. I don't know if the elders can Df' you if they are never able to make contact with you?
Good Luck and let us know what happens.
(of the "they kicked my ass out, and I'm happy about it class")
bajarama
i wonder what the percentage is of ex-jws who become involved in other organized religions.
i had a discussion with a psychiatrist friend recently.
he told me that i am a "psychiatric anamoly," that most "devout" people who leave a religion will join another and become as devout in their new religion.
all religions = (bullshit)100,000
(governing body + wtb&ts + local elders)bible = y
y = (bullshit)1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Any questions class?
(of the algebraic class)
bajarama
inspired by englishman's post, i decided to list a few things that i disagreed with as a jw.. 1) jacob lied.. i disagreed with the wtbs on this even before i was baptised.
it is pretty obvious.
the elders agreed to baptise me if i kept my mouth shut about it.. 2) that jehovah is a loving and just god.. hitler killed 6 million jews and is considered to be one of the most evil men in history.
skeptic,
Great questions? I really like the one about all the races coming from two humans in a six thousand year period. Never thought of that one.
bajarama
i thought i'd share my own experience on the subject (sorry it gets a little long winded!
) and ask how having to shun relatives as a kid affected anyone else here.. disfellowshipping (and disassociation) have been part of my life for as long as i can remember.
when i was six or seven, my dad, after opposing my mother's becoming a witness for several years, had a whirlwind flirtation with the organization and got baptized (as my mom put it, he was so disappointed that nothing special happened when he got baptized that he left the assembly at the lunch break).
Tergiversator,
Thanks, it helps to know that I'm not the only one who's life has been screwed with. I'm df'd and the "scum apostate" of the family. I love this board because it reminds me that I'm not alone.
Pure Scum Apostate
bajarama
i think a lot of space is wasted in arguments that get personal.
we are a varied bunch and i think that variety is good.
i dont want to discourage anyone from posting but personal attacks ( justified or not) dont achieve anything.
Thanks outandfree and riz!
License to talk trash! Joking?
bajarama