DY, really? Not that I'm doubting you, but how in gods name can people live like that? In for a penny, in for a pound was how I thought about it ... it would rip me apart living like the JW do, and *not* believing it. But then, it also did rip me apart *believing* in it, lol.
Vivamus
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Is it morally right ...
by Vivamus in... to try and attempt at getting through to an 70 year old elder?.
on rash impuls i wrote a letter to one elder.
a man who is most dear to me, even though my feelings towards the jw are negative at best.
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Is it morally right ...
by Vivamus in... to try and attempt at getting through to an 70 year old elder?.
on rash impuls i wrote a letter to one elder.
a man who is most dear to me, even though my feelings towards the jw are negative at best.
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Vivamus
Runningman, did't see your reply when I posted. I can agree with you there, honestly I can cuz thats the ground of my entire "belief". But what if in this case we need to be just a little bit more careful, when the truth hurts, do they need to know. Especially at that age.....
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Is it morally right ...
by Vivamus in... to try and attempt at getting through to an 70 year old elder?.
on rash impuls i wrote a letter to one elder.
a man who is most dear to me, even though my feelings towards the jw are negative at best.
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Vivamus
Well, but what about this. We all *know* just how horrid it is to leave. Yes, we regained freedom of mind and actions. But we also lost so very very much. It can take years to get over this. As you all know ....
So, supposedly I have forced this man t look at some things, maybe cuz out his love for me he will investigate, just so he can convincce me ... But naturally he will start doubting the more he learns. So he leaves, forced or freely. And he will have *nothing* left. Seeing me again will be no substitue for losing his family and friends.
Gods, this is confusing me, no, thats not the right way of putting it. In fact I am afraid for the scenario where he will leave and tells me he wished he had never read the letter. Which brings me to my moral dillemma.
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Is it morally right ...
by Vivamus in... to try and attempt at getting through to an 70 year old elder?.
on rash impuls i wrote a letter to one elder.
a man who is most dear to me, even though my feelings towards the jw are negative at best.
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... to try and attempt at getting through to an 70 year old elder?
On rash impuls I wrote a letter to one elder. A man who is most dear to me, even though my feelings towards the JW are negative at best. This man was my mentor and in many ways like a father to me. In the now three years since I have been DF'd he has on many occasions tried to reach me, to "help" me A few weks ago he called me on my mobile, and I didn't know what to say and how to respond to his plee of "Come back Noortje, please come back and let me help you". All I could utter was that it really was no use trying to pursue me, I was a lost cause to them. The phonecall didn't last long. But it bugged me that I never explained my reasons to this man who was very dear to me.
Well, can't change anything now anymore, I mailed him the letter, 5 pages long, explaining how I got DF'd, what a dissapointment the elders where and that my "sin" was the need to know why so and so .... I wasn't whining, I wasn't lecturing, this tipped on some topics and let him do the thinking. I ended my letter with letting him know how ambigeous (sp) I felt about writing him this letter. Part of me hopes he will investigate. Part of me hopes he doesn't, cuz I know too well how comforting a blanket the religion can be.
So, what do you think, discuss away. I have talked about this with a few people now, and opinions are divers. Some consider that I had no riht to write him this letter. I agreed to the rules most willingly when I joined, and should let the man be. Others think if you can save a person from a cult, you must at all cost.
Should this man decide to leave, he will have nothing left. His entire family in in the borg, he will be left stading alone, free, but utterly alone. And the implications are rather enourmous. Should this be my doing ... would I have had that right?
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I found a big ol' fat lie again in there!
by gumby insome big fat liar made sumthin up again!
looky here what i went and found in the bible!
remember that little dove that desended down on jesus right after he was baptised by john?
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Vivamus
The rest well, naturally the rest is shocked as well
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I found a big ol' fat lie again in there!
by gumby insome big fat liar made sumthin up again!
looky here what i went and found in the bible!
remember that little dove that desended down on jesus right after he was baptised by john?
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Vivamus
Viv.....geesh, even Jesus said ass a buncha times.
HE DID NOT! How dare you suggest that to me! My virgin ears are shocked!
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I found a big ol' fat lie again in there!
by gumby insome big fat liar made sumthin up again!
looky here what i went and found in the bible!
remember that little dove that desended down on jesus right after he was baptised by john?
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Vivamus
Oww Gumby, you'll go straight to hell for saying this
Besides....the water over in those neck of the woods is colder than hell at midnight and Jesus wouldna stepped his arse in the water then.
And me too for laughing .... sjeesh, where is the respect for our saviour ....
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Why did you "choose" to become a Witness?
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this question is for those who weren't born in the org, or whose parents didn't drag them into the org.
why did you chose to become a jw?
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Vivamus
Chose? I think lured is a better term ..... and its cuz i was stupid and young, looking for myself and young.
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Paranormal....
by Country_Woman inyesterday viv and i visited a paranormal exchange.
in the direct neighbourhood of our formal kingdom hall and the houses of several elders, not to mention the common dubs.
in other words: nearly in their strongholt.. i would'nt be surprised when somebody actually have seen us.. it was the first time i ever visited something like this and i decided to try tarot.
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Vivamus
There is a conflict of language here . Pendel, the Dutch word, can also mean the thing witches in Charmed use for scrying. I have no clue how to translate it.... The dictionary offers me no answer, maybe the translation is pendulum? It is a crystal hanging on a string, you hold it in your hand, keep your hand still and ask things. The crystal will move in 1 direction for "yes" and in another direction for "no". It's simply explained by the muscles in your arms. When you in your mind answer yes or no, the tension of your muscles vary. You can experiment it by having a willing victim. Ask your victem to hold out his/her arms. Place your own hands on the arms and try to push them down. While you do this, let your victem say "YES, YES, YES" - you will be able to push the arms down. Then repeat the experiment but then let him say "NO, NO, NO" - no way you will be able to push the arms down.
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Paranormal....
by Country_Woman inyesterday viv and i visited a paranormal exchange.
in the direct neighbourhood of our formal kingdom hall and the houses of several elders, not to mention the common dubs.
in other words: nearly in their strongholt.. i would'nt be surprised when somebody actually have seen us.. it was the first time i ever visited something like this and i decided to try tarot.
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Vivamus
I am a bit skeptical, not so much that i dont believe in it, just that there are more fake ones "oh yeah, i can see the dead and know what they wanne tell u" then real ones. I've had the cards read for me twice now, and the first person told me I had a dark aura, was enough to give me the chills. Lol, my then boyfriend suggested i'd ask for a refund, 25 dollars gone and a depressed gloomy feeling afterwards was enough cause to ask for a refund, or so he thought. Lol.