how's things for you this weekend?
there's been plenty of tragedy this past week that even from downunder looks pretty awful!
good news there has been though with the return of englishman.
. I always thought it was because they played the music so softly and no one wanted to be heard above the music.
Yeah, but when everyone is off-key, especially the song leader Brother O at the mike, it didn't matter. We were thoroughly enjoying ourselves singing "Jehovah's Praises". I'm sure we sounded like the Pentacostal church down the street on Sundays, except this was Thur. night!
We did have some fun, inspite of the WTS.
Brenda
my wife (jill) came with me, only because ordrade would be there, and we had a good time.
i should drink red wine on an empty stomach more often, i'm a cheap drunk!
i think our basic "answer" was to stay close to them, be the best dad he can be, take them to the zoo, do all the things you can to be a rock for them, and don't make issues out of the jws in case it backfires, just be there for them - always.. so the question for us all that i would like to extend for scott is, what can he do, what should he expect and how can he handle this torment?.
There is too much in-fighting in most divorces, putting children in the middle and using them as pawns, whether religion is involved or not. Glen, I think your advise is very wise.
If mother begins to turn kids away from father, then dad needs to continue on the high road. Letting the kids know he won't get involved with the mud-slinging. Also, if kids are old enough, encourage them to think for themselves.
Hugs to y'all and especially to Scott, wherever he may be
Brenda
A quote my spousal unit loves:
Small minds talk about people
Average minds talk about things
Great minds talk about ideas
how's things for you this weekend?
there's been plenty of tragedy this past week that even from downunder looks pretty awful!
good news there has been though with the return of englishman.
# 23. All of the above.
The one thing my mom told me, and it grates on me today, is "..everything you do and say reflects directly on your father." My dad was PO. That is a tough weight to bear as a 14 year old. She didn't need to say it because I was a good kid.
Because I was a good kid and wanted to please, I did my best to conform, even when my "evil thoughts" occasionally interfered.... like "why is that wonderful woman, who happens to be S. Baptist, who takes in all those unfortunate and unloved neighborhood kids and treats them like her own, condemned to hell?"
The biggest mistake I made was the family I married into. I wish my parents had done a little research. Once I married, I was essentially shunned by his congregation, by people I had known all my life, who had respected and been friends of my parents! I found them to he hypocrical arses. Unfortunately, I conceed they did have a point: My husband developed alcoholism and was taught well how to be a wife abuser by his father. My Karma to transcend this life.
Hugs to all
Bren
PS On the kingdumb songs part. Being in a predominently black congregation we SANG OUT! many times when the cong. could arrange own agenda, we'd have 15min to 30min of just singing. It was wonderful inspite of the songs. When I move to an almost all white cong. first I wondered where everyone was, and realized that the hall was mostly full (no beautiful black faces), and NO ONE sang. I missed that.
for the last few years, many of my friends have lost their jobs and have not found suitable replacements.
most are on unemployment, and those whose unemployment has run out are simply eeking out some meager existence doing something they don't like, that doesn't pay well, and doesn't help to really reduce the stress they face every day.. well, to be honest, i used to laugh my ass off at them.
ha ha ha i would say.
{{{{{ Dolphman }}}}}
Gosh, sorry to hear about the layoff. Everyone expects it of Boeing, but Microsoft? That's why MS was sooo difficult to get on as a permanent hire because they just didn't do that. It does reinforce that we've been in a severe recession (inspite of the economic growth indicators), and the need to vote in someone other than Bush. I don't think Nader counts... his bid will just cost an important election --- again!
At least you're in Silicon Valley North. Lots of software companies. I know, a worked for a few when I lived there.
At least you'll get a bit of an under-paid break.
Hey, you could pioneer for a while.... huh?
Hugs
Bren
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anyone have any power outage stories?
i remember all the kids would silently cheer when the lights went out and hope they stayed out.
i mean no more silly grin plastered on your face pretending you would enjoy it.
I don't specifically remember any power outages, but I do remember one summer when the air conditioner went out. At least we had opening windows!
My dad - electrician and jack of all thing mechanical - was working on it and found the problem. A fly had gotten squished in between the contacts on a switch! I was there working on the cleaning crew and he called me in just to see it. It was way cool. So, we had a literal bug in the system.
BTW, the term BUG in software has it's basis in the same type of event. In the 50's when computers were manually switched, one failed. They found a swarm of gnats surrounding one switch and a gnat or 2 got in between the contacts. Hence "bug in the system".
Hugs
Bren
i was served a restraining order by the local sheriff from my jw x -wife.
i know without a doubt this is a small maneuver to block me from picketing at the kingdom hall and exposing her lies and bullcrap.
while nancy is in the hospital recovering, the other two girls are now completely indignant and ready to help take this thing head on.
{{{{ Corvin and family }}}}
It is very common for the offending party to be the one to issue a restraining order. One finger pointing produces three pointing at the accusor. It is also far easier for a woman, charging abuse, to get an order, than for a man. That's simply how it is.
I hope you have a good attorney that has some background on toxic religion. You will need an attorney to respond correctly, and pursue your own protection. You, too can file a protective order against Mark, even your wife.
I know this is all a pain in the arse (and in the heart), but in time, you'll get through it. I also see you and your family coming out the other end victorious, flying your colors of freedom.
Hugs and Love
Brenda
hey gang,.
i've read dozens of threads here, some sounding similar to what i'm writing now.
i can't help it, i want to talk about it.
This doesnt apply to you now, but my be helpful some time in the future.
When I went to my parents on an AA based amends session my dad, of course, came out with the "Gospel according to WTS" and started in on me with a "What are you going to do when you find yourself faced with armageddon?" type-question. My response was "...when I face judgement day I will stand tall before Jehovah and Jesus for all that I have done, bad AND good. I am willing to own my actions". It was the first time in my life I saw my dad speachless. And I didn't have near the belief structure nor conviction then that I do now.
A willingness to own your beliefs (or non-beliefs) and stand tall before everyone concerned is disconcerting to those used to the threats and cowering.
Like I said, there will be a time for it. Now is not it. A need to talk with someone about your crisis of faith is good. Talk with us, find a support group, a counselor, whatever. To talk with your wife in her "delicate" condition, I agree is not a good thing right now. It's not that urgent. Besides, your beliefs might just shift again - not necesarily "back" to what they were, but forward with new insight.
Hugs on your new journey
Brenda
if man dies because of inherited sin (as pretty much all bible based religions believe), why do animals die?.
if sin is "falling short of god's will" and sin results in death, how have animals "fallen short" thus deserving death?
if there was a dog messiah, would animals be redeemed as well?
In looking at this sort-of scientifically, it is necessary for all living things to die in order to purpetuate the cycle of life. Bugs eat plants and other bugs, bugs get eaten by bug eaters like mice and rats and birds, etc., on up the food chain; Man being at the top of the chain.
To me this IS life eternal, as it is self purpetuating: be born, eat, grow up, eat, procreate, eat your mate, die. All so the next generation can continue the cycle.
This cycle is also essential for the genetic, developmental evolution of species. (which I happen to believe has/had an intelligent plan behind it.)
I think this "life everlasting" thing has been a vastly misrepresented and overated carrot dangled to control the masses. Personally I think life would get rather boring and the days, months, and years would go by too swiftly after 500 years or so. Heck, they go by too switfly now, and I'm not yet 50!
Hugs
brenda
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happy birthday, to me.. happy birthday, to me.. happy birthday, to mee-ee.. happy birthday, to me.. .
And Manny Moore.... er, ah, MANY MORE!
Hugs
Brenda
i have been very busy, but i am getting some sleep compliments of my doctor?s coolness.
mary and i went to see nancy?s doctor for a long chat in which i went into a lot of detail regarding nancy?s indoctrination, her engrained fears and beliefs about, god, the bible, people and life, and how they relate to the culmination of this suicide attempt.
i explained what being labeled "bad association" meant to her and how devastating the prospect and reality of shunning is .
{{{{{{{ Corvin, Mary, Nancy, entire Corvin Family }}}}}}
I am so glad a corner has been turned in this crisis. I have been thinking about y'all and praying for blessings for you since I read your threads yesterday morning.
You are a lucky man with a rare and wonderful family.... lucky to have each other and draw strength and fearlessness from each other. I can see in your posts, present and past, you understand just what a gifts you have, that you are capable of seeing inspite of the fog.
Keep on doin' the do. Keep to the high road, always. And know there are many, many faceless people here who love you, are praying and pulling for you and yours.
With love and hugs all around
Brenda
