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  are they saying jesus came back now or not......

  by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 in

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  i want to know if they have changed thier stance on weather jesus came back "invisibly" in 1914......?

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  are they sticking to this or slowley distancing themselves from it................. for all you km insiders [please expand] .

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  Another cop put, "turned his attention to the earth", all the events that they are doing away with, would have had to happen to validate 1914, so by doing away with those doctrins they undermine 1914.
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  the ancient prophets of old married mingling thier blood with their wives..

  by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 in

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  during my studies i became aware of the ancient custom hebrew marriage ........12 steps in all...... during the end of the marrige ceremony the husband and wife would cut thier hands and join them as a signification of becoming one in the eyes of jehovah...... thus mingling their blood with each others................................ i have 3 questions....... are jehovah winesses aware of this?.

  would jehovah's witnesses regard this as blood transfusion?.

  what would jehovah think about many of the ancient hebrew prophets of old becoming married in this way?.

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  I would like to see your references to this
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  I need your help responding to my old JW friends email

  by student1 in

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  hello guys, todya i recieved an email from an old friend of mine within the jdubs... he did the usual jdub thing get married really young and as such we lost touch.. he since found me on facebook and has been bugging me about my decision to leave, i talked to him a little but his mind is completely closed and irrational so i was having little success saving him from the cult and as sich i decided to end the call.. by saying "your happy and i'm happy so lets leave it be and aggree to differ" - however he wont let it rest this is his email: any help in responding would be most appreciated!!

  ps... how ironic that he should mention george orwell when he lives within a cult that epitomizes the 1984 book!!

  seeing as you never botherered ringing me back or texting i thort id email you.. .

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  i have also done alot of research as to why there has been a number of elders who have mismananged things, and some border hypocrisy, and often some are incorrect, also there have been governing body members who have stated armageddon would fall in 1975, as well as a number of other dates.. watchtowers directing to this also?? why i thort could this happen if it is inspired through them (the watchtower and awake)?? well.. we are all imperfect including them...

  Due 18: 20

  "‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it.

  new evidence is uncovered all the time,

  . Ecc 1: 9 That which has come to be, that is what will come to be; and that which has been done, that is what will be done; and so there is nothing new under the sun. 10 Does anything exist of which one may say: "See this; it is new"? It has already had existence for time indefinite; what has come into existence is from time prior to us. 11 There is no remembrance of people of former times, nor will there be of those also who will come to be later.

  therefore certain thorts and explanations get adjusted such as with all scientific proven events.. murder trials.. years later uncover knew evidence, not that the people investigating were not knowlegeable enough, but that new things come to light... the word as a whole based on the scriptures has never changed, certainly some people, and writings, ideas since have ammended. yes. but overall, the pros out way the cons.the reasoning of such things reasons more so than anything else..

  He may point to the older beliefs as being englightened, but, by holding onto the core belief in 1914 the dubs dont see that the rules laws that applied then HAVE to apply NOW and they dont, its a lie.
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  Four years late. Just watched Passions of the Christ. I have a question

  by shopaholic in

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  as you know this movie was banned for jws.

  any faithful witness would not watched a non-jw bible movie (even though they do it all the time but that's a different subject.

  ) i watched it this pass week over a couple of days.

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  It doesnt....but if the object of Christ murder is to be worshipped, then it might make a difference which hell you pick to go to...little leavity. I believe it was abopted about the thrid century to christianize a pagan object so the new converts wouldnt have a problem with the "truth" about their new religion.
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  Myspace- newly dissacociated and need support! please read

  by burningbridges in

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  hey there guys!

  my name is brooke, age 26. i am recently dissacociated.

  i have just set up a new myspace account and would like any who are on myspace to please put my on their friend list so we can encourage and support each other., i need it!

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  Just remember the "true love" the WT implies, practice that and never let your husband steamroll you with the untruths of the org, Christ said that his followers would be known by the mark of love, hubby can be repelled by love and if he is then he deserves the borg.

  Love, strength and keep YOUR faith.

  Dave
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  Now that the wts has opened the door to heaven again are there more annoint

  by Fisherman in

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  since the door has been reopenned again, do statistics show an increase of this generation, do new partakers still get a talk from the elders after the memorial now.

  it was said that just as one knows their gender so annointed ones now they are annointed

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  That means the big A is just around the coner
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  Whats the worst thing you have heard from the stage???

  by karter in

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  at a circuit assembly the co stopped his talk and asked the attendants to remove a crying baby and his mother .. she go up walked out the back started crying as she was studying she never came back.. saved by the co i say..

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  PO said that brothers who did not pioneer to avoid the draft, but went to prison for their beliefs were cowards.
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  Part 2:The Elders Return, Made Decision To Disfellowship Us On Grounds Of..

  by Lady Liberty in

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  dear friends.... "happy tuesday!

  " well the saga continues!

  i thought we had seen the last of the elders last friday night as most have you are familiar with the story.

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  DA letter: Seeing as how I answer to a higher power, one not of men or manmade organizations, I am compelled to dissfellowship all those who gossip, lie and slander, whos mouths are full for false promises and prophesies, those who do not have the identifing mark of Gods love, and are not willing to die for what is the truth. Each soul that was been straved to death spiritually and pushed out of the fold, testify to the injustice and lack of Godliness the exists in the Watchtower Society, the fear it exhibites by its secreat Watchtower articals demonstrates its weaknesses and not wanting to be questioned on its teachings. The fact there are more "witnesses" now outside of the organization marks it as apostate......
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  Just what were the "80 questions?"

  by avishai in

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  never having been baptized, i never got too them.

  anyone have them handy?

  just what did i need to know to be a dedicated dubbie?

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  The same questions Philip asked the Ethiopean eunuch? I dont see 80 there, and it was the eunuch doing the asking....

  Acts 8:

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  Now as they were going over the road, they came to a certain body of water, and the eunuch said: "Look! A body of water; what prevents me from getting baptized?" 37 —— 38 With that he commanded the chariot to halt, and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 When they had come up out of the water, Jehovah’s spirit quickly led Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him anymore, for he kept going on his way rejoicing.

  Quote from 1960 WT 5/15 "WhatPreventsMefromGettingBaptized?"

  "Philip did not prevent the Ethiopian eunuch from getting baptized. He knew that as a Jewish proselyte he had enough knowledge and understanding to know what he was doing. Philip knew this was no snap decision on the spur of the moment. He also knew that the Ethiopian qualified as a candidate for baptism in the matter of moral cleanness. Was he not just returning from worship at the temple and had he not gone to the extent of a strenuous journey to do so? Had not Philip been called by the holy angel to witness to this man, indicating that God had ‘estimated the heart’ of the Ethiopian and was calling him into God’s organization for service? Yes. So why would Philip prevent the baptism?"

  "No man can prevent another from being baptized if he meets God’s requirements. It is Jehovah God who decides what qualifications must be met by candidates for baptism."

  Seems the 1960s held a different understandong of the scripture the WT used in conjuction with the body of overseers.

  1 Thess 2: 3 For the exhortation we give does not arise from error or from uncleanness or with deceit, 4 but, just as we have been proved by God as fit to be entrusted with the good news, so we speak, as pleasing, not men, but God, who makes proof of our hearts.5 In fact, at no time have we turned up either with flattering speech, (just as YOU know) or with a false front for covetousness, God is witness! 6 Neither have we been seeking glory from men, no, either from YOU or from others, though we could be an expensive burden as apostles of Christ. 7 To the contrary, we became gentle in the midst of YOU, as when a nursing mother cherishes her own children. 8 So, having a tender affection for YOU, we were well pleased to impart to YOU, not only the good news of God, but also our own souls, because YOU became beloved to us.

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  Certainly YOU bear in mind, brothers, our labor and toil. It was with working night and day, so as not to put an expensive burden upon any one of YOU, that we preached the good news of God to YOU. 10 YOU are witnesses, God is also, how loyal and righteous and unblamable we proved to be to YOU believers. 11 In harmony with that YOU well know how, as a father does his children, we kept exhorting each one of YOU, and consoling and bearing witness to YOU, 12 to the end that YOU should go on walking worthily of God who is calling YOU to his kingdom and glory.
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  E-mail from friend alerting me to emergency instruction from GB

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  here's a paragraph from a friend who is active.

  they say it's important that we fill out this form about emergencies... poor fools.

  "hi, i have been meaning to tell you that the society is telling us to fill out an emergency form that the book study conductors have and return it to them in case of an emergency.they will then give us a brochure to have that will tell us where to meet and what to have in our bags so we can grab them and leave in a hurry.

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  1967 brothers separated from thier families, missionary work prison, were advised to establish meeting times and places for when the tribulation started.