These posts are great Theile and Gentry are SDAs just like me. When I become a JW I will have all the information to confuse and confound the faithfull at the KH. They would have to accept my baggage that Ive been brought up an SDA and may know about these gentleman and there writings. I can just see the look on there faces priceless.
Posts by barry
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46The Watchtower, Scholar and Misrepresentation of Source References
by AlanF inour resident pretend-jw-scholar who calls himself "scholar" enjoys justifying lying and misrepresentation by the watchtower society and himself.
the society, out of one side of its collective mouth, recommends not misrepresenting source references, yet out of the other side, goes ahead and does so without hesitation whenever it is convenient.
the society understands that unfair quoting is dishonest.
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Easter Egg Hunt!
by Valis in.
the easter bunny has been hopping around the board with his basket....how many can you find?.
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barry
Yea but you cant eat them.
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1.5 hours to the New Dr Who !!
by Simon incan't wait ... it's like being a kid again !.
christopher eccleston is the new (and 9th) dr and was previously in the excellent "second coming" (where he played christ who reappear at maine road ... you really had to see it, lol).
if anyone calls me, i'm not in .
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barry
I find it hard to accept a new DR who but after a few episodes I can get right into it
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Scholar, 607 and Evolutionary Change
by AlanF injehovah's witnesses have recently done an about-face on their teachings about god, the bible, creation and evolution, and are about to announce major changes in their teachings on these things.
on their website, they say that "faith in god is merely an emotional experience.
" "god is not an explanation" of the universe, they now teach.. as regards the question of origins, "our universe is all a matter of chance.
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barry
Being an SDA myself I took interest in the SDA Robert gentry being quoted in the creation book and Edwin Theile. Scholar says is perhaps the greatest chronologist of the 20th century in christendom.
My dad an SDA elder and most prominent lay preachers in the region nor I have any knowledge of these two individuals. It may be their books are written for a small range of members or they havent promoted there books sufficiently. Even some seemingly best sellers in the SDA community are failures from a publishing point of view and cant be equated to the JW method of selling their books where everyone is a best seller eg book study books.
I couldnt even find a quote from Robert Gentry in the Faith and Science conferences in Denver Colorado 2004 and Glacier View Colorado in 2003 where the SDA church is trying to come to terms with evolution v creation and people from both sides are presenting their papers and appealing for understanding on these issues.
Theile and Gentry are certainly not household names in the SDA community nor in the wider christendom.
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Does Anyone Really Celebrate The Last Supper As Commanded In The Bible?
by adelmaal ini know the jws try but imho they miss the mark because they do not all partake, as described in the bible, and they do not do the foot washing as commanded in those verses as well.
i am hard pressed to find a religion that actually does "do this in remembrance of me" as explained in the bible accounts by jesus.
does anyone know if there is a religion that tries to re-enact the event as it is described in the bible?
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barry
Im an SDA and yes the SDAs ave foot washing at the communion service the men and women separate for the foot washing. The way it is done is you pick a partner you wash his feet and he will wash yours. After that everyone meets back in the church and the bread and grapejuice are blessed and served to the congragation the grapejuice in small individual glasses.
The footwashing and sacraments is open to christians of any denomination even JWs if they chose to attend. Barry
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Scholar, 607 and Evolutionary Change
by AlanF injehovah's witnesses have recently done an about-face on their teachings about god, the bible, creation and evolution, and are about to announce major changes in their teachings on these things.
on their website, they say that "faith in god is merely an emotional experience.
" "god is not an explanation" of the universe, they now teach.. as regards the question of origins, "our universe is all a matter of chance.
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barry
Alan are you Fair Dinkum?
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Do you think the JWs are more extreme than the Mormons?
by Qcmbr ini'm just feeling a little naughty today - i'm just kinda interested in your views.
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barry
Sorry but on the above post Im slightly wrong the Mormons have the Levitical priesthood and the Aronic priesthood. The bloke I was talking about called the Aronic priesthood the Moronic priesthood, and he was so proud of soon becoming a Moronic priest.
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Do you think the JWs are more extreme than the Mormons?
by Qcmbr ini'm just feeling a little naughty today - i'm just kinda interested in your views.
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barry
Ive met a few Mormons and even been to their church.
One of the first lessons they will give you they will talk about Joseph Smith and ask you to receive him as youre prophet and to pray that the Holy Spirit leads you to that conclusion.
If you go to their church you will be put in a class for non mormons and be taught their beleifs. I once had a girl friend who told me about her former boy friend who was a mormon. She told me they have two priesthoods the Aronic and the moronic priesthood. She told me how proud her former boyfriend was that he was to be a moronic priest.
Mormon missionarys sometimes go to Churches of other denominations to try to get converts, while I havent experianced that, my Dad is an SDA elder and he told me they went to his church.
They dont seem to be as extreme as the JWs
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christian words or expressions you will never hear a jdub say
by in a new york bethel minute in.
gospel, grace, born again, the lord, saints, virgin mary... any more?.
bethel
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barry
Im not a JW but I beleive they dont say the Lords prayer
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Been searching scriptures for "salvation"
by jaffacake ini?ve been given a nwt bible, but don't understand how jws believe as they do.
why does the ?bible topics for discussion?
include some issues, eg celebrating birthdays, that seem less important compared with the question of how to attain salvation.
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barry
I understand salvation this way.
When we beleive we are saved and with that simple act we have salvation and can be no more condemed than the father can condemn christ. Justification is 100% is allways ours because only perfection can save us. Sometimes is reffered to as salvation from the guilt of sin.
Santification is the process whereby we become more like christ it may only be a fraction of 1% and is the work of the holy spirit in our lives to be more christlike and is salvation from the power of sin.
Glorification is the salvation from the presents of sin when Jesus comes and we are perfect and only then will our justification = our santification.
The issue at the time of the reformation was is a christian when justified is made righteous or declared righteous. The reformers beleived justification is to declare righteous because our righteousness is not of our own making it is in heaven and is the righteousness of christ.