i know this might sound abit "harsh" but i think it is time ex-jw's, new born agains, or people just interested in the bible put a stop to this "believe"in the trinity doctrine or go to eternal flames" madness.
alot of innocent young one are being emotional damaged by this burn in hell fiasco.
just like the wts "no blood"policy and if you take a blood transfusion you will be announced "no longer one of jw's" and shunned by your family and friends, the hell fire doctrine does alot of damage to the innocent mind on several levels.
So called born agains are well known for beleiving if a christian doesnt speak in toungs and receive the holy spirit he isnt saved.
Of course all christians receive the holy spirit the moment they beleive and speaking in tounges is a gift of the holy spirit .
Isnt the beleif that a person has to beleive in certain things a gnostic beleif? I think ist up to the holy spirit to lead us into truth
comments you will not hear at the april 30, 2006 wt study (march 15, 2006 issue, pages 27-31)(false worship)).
review comments will be in red.
" (matthew 7:23) the now enthroned king, jesus christ, has nothing to do with false religion.. true worshippers--only jws.
I remember years ago a catholic man came to a service at the SDA church but had to get special permission from his priest. We couldnt beleive the catholic church had so much power over people.
On the other hand protestants from other churches would come regularly to the SDA church once a year to take the divine service and promopt the bible society with no problems.
I beleive the catholics even now when they go to another demonination beleive they are not worshiping god in true way and attendance at another church cant be substituted for weekly attendance at the catholic church.
saw a documentary on tv this weekend about it.
have heard about the "left behind" series of books that deal with this belief.. one thing that caught my attention about the belief in the rapture was that it seemed very dark.
it seems to focus more on the scary things that are talked about in revelation than the message of peace and love that i admire in the teachings of christ.. the other thing that bothered me is that it seemed similar to the witnesses in that you have to be "saved" or you are going to die.
The rapture doctrine divides the second comming into two events separated by seven years and is a very recent doctrine in christianity. I beleive it was developed by the bretherine many baptists beleive the doctrine too. One of the great supporters of the doctrine is hal Linsey in the Late Great Planet Earth.
No theologins in christindom go along with Hal Linseys interpretations.
can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?
thanks again for your answers.
zico
In the tree vision of Daniel four the time period mentioned is seven times which is seven years no problem there.
The year day principle states and i dont beleive the year day principle is a valid biblical datum. "?You would be hard pressed to get a year day from numbers ezekiel or from daniel 9. In fact commentaries on the bible say that the year day principle is not necessary to explain daniel 9
Can we also agree that the word day is not mentioned in the tree vision in daniel 4.
The fact is time only extends to the cross.
i was just at jwfacts.com and was looking at the daniel/revelation phrophecies.
the book of daniel mentions 1260 and 1335 days.
the wts interprets these dates as follows:.
Why arent these day periods changed into years to comply with the day year principle? The SDAs do just that and at least it is consistent but the SDAs dont do that with every case of predictive phrophecy which shows they are inconsistent too.
All claims of 1844-1914 is erronious because of this reason alone also. The truth is there is no time periods after the cross AD 31 is the end of the world legally.
Christians just as non christian people are all born in sin its our nature to sin. i once heard the story of a scorpian getting a ride across a swolen river to safety . The scorpian argued with the dog he wouldnt sting the dog and the dog argued back. Finally the dog gave in and gave the scorpian the ride across to save his life and just as they got to the other side surely the scorpian stung the dog. When asked why the scorpian replied 'Its my nature'. And its our nature.
WE will all be this way haveing a fallen human nature until Jesus comes again when we will be glorified and free from the presents of sin. Barry
can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?
thanks again for your answers.
zico
Scholar I am aware of some JW exegises reguarding the three and a half years from1914 to 1918 would this prophecy be better interpreted to mean 1260 years useing the year day principle as the SDA do ? This is the period of the dark ages and the persicution of true christians. As many SDAs teach.
i beleive this prophecy is best understood to be relevevent to christians of all ages also i beleive this 3 and a half years is taken from the ministry of our lord just as our lord went through three and a half years is also true for the church.
The three and a half years is also described as 42 months , times time and half a time as I recall and only once or twice 1260 days.
without the word day how can the datum work?
can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?
thanks again for your answers.
zico
So whatever date you agree on how would you get to 1914 from there anyway? The year day principle is not a biblical datum for predictive profecy eg when our lord said he would be in the tomb for 3 days did he mean 3 years ? "You may know i am an SDA and the JWs probably got the year day principle from the millerite movement. There have been discussions in SDA ranks and many no longer agree with the year day principle Barry
in the u.s, 1/3 of your salary/wages goes toward taxes.. also, we have various state sales taxes on certain "luxury items" such as t.p.
in wisconsin it is 5.5%.. in 2004, 28% of americans had no health insurance.
presently, 40% have no health insurance.. .
I beleive taxes here in Australia are about the same as the US we have excellent social services including and we arent going broke in fact the federal government returns a very healthy surplus every year and has done so for the last decade.
i was looking at some old wt articles and i found this quote.
i thought it was pretty ironic, what say ye?.
the vatican belittles bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the bible.
The Catholic Church has more right to say that because we got the bible dfrom the authority of the Church councils.
