Posts by barry

when i see or hear born again christians calling mormons, jws, 7th day adventists, jews etc; cults i always have wondered is that not the pot calling the kettle black?

i just amazes me how so much in denial bacs(born again christians) are.

they love to condemn and throw stones at others but they will never, never, and i mean never label themselves as cults even though they have some of the weirdest beliefs.

barry

I don't really know any born again christians in fact all christians are born again when they first believe. What denomination are these born agains?

Even in Aminianisn there is the belief in 'perserverance of the saints ' where a christian may be out of fellowship with Christ through sin but is still saved. In the Arminian tradition a christian can only be lost by the rejection of the saviour.

Calvinism on the other hand is the belief in TULIP. which includes Unconditional Election the belief we are selected by God through no reason of our own. This belief also stated there is limited atonement only for the saints and also stated the perserverance of the saints which is once saved always saved.

Once saved allways saved is very common in the christian church

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What Is The World View Of America?

by minimus in

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a lot of people felt that the usa's reputation was terrible, especially under president bush.

then obama became president and we heard how the rest of the world felt that finally they had a person that would respect them and their views and work with them!

the new president even ot a nobel peace prize because of the world's perception.. what's your view of america?

barry

I have respect for America and our political partys do to on bot sides. Australia has a similar history to the states in many ways although we stayed with the Empire.

the foreign policy of the states and here is also very much the same.

The Americans could learn from our Medibank system where everone is covered . Barry

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Knights and Dames for Australia but will our Knights be supplied with horses and armour

by barry in

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australia has reverted back to the medieval system outgoing governor general has accepted a damehood and the incomming governor peter cosgrove will be receiving a knighthood.

i have met a few knights one of them mentioned to me he was dissapointed he didn't get a horse from the government.

the queen wil have to get busy with her sword dupping the new knights and dames.

barry

Australia has reverted back to the medieval system outgoing Governor General has accepted a Damehood and the incomming Governor Peter Cosgrove will be receiving a Knighthood. I have met a few Knights one of them mentioned to me he was dissapointed he didn't get a horse from the government. The Queen wil have to get busy with her sword dupping the new Knights and Dames. Barry

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Didn't you just hate sharing a KH??

by quellycatface in

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i like to get stuff done in the morning and do my own thing later.. i really hated the afternoon meeting.

you had no time to do sod all.

not even eat a decent lunch with a glass of wine!!.

barry

Quelly we have church in a school hall and we have to set up and pack up every week. Its a new church but Its a hard job.

Glad you have found a church you are comfortable with. Barry

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Which Bible Translation?

by Blackbird Fly in

just wondering which is your favorite translation of the bible?

we only have the nwt (pre 2013 revision) here, curently.

but i wouldnt be opposed to having another translation to refer to....

barry

Have any of you heard of 'king james onlyism'? Aparantly the Germans have the same problem because in the Lutherine only the bible written by Martin Luther is Gods word.

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UNITY vs CONFORMITY - discuss.

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

i've read the walsh trial that indicates the societies stance of ' unity at all costs, even if we're wrong ' but that sounds more like conformity to me.

so how do other religions or movements justify the range of beliefs within their respective movements?

for example, the born again movement, a massive range of beliefs, but they don't insist on conformity.

barry

Gday disposable hero,

The quote on page 1 is from Augustine of Hippo from the 4th century.

Augustine is a saint in the Roman Catholic faith and the Anglicans. Augustine also wrote about Orininal sin, the doctrine of grace and Predestination

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Joining a Church and advice from co-workers!!!!!!!!!!

by Jon Preston in

so im obviously out mentally....i havent da-ed but i cant care less!

but.....my co workers are encouraging me to find and join a church.

this person is particularly "wisdomonian" meaning she seems to solve and assist many an ailing indicidual in my field.

barry

My family and I have become Anglican and we find great comfort in the sermons the works of the church as christian people and christianity of the parishiners we have been associated with.

The Anglicans believe the bible and read it through the eyes of the early church as it developed so it is a bit different to the way other christians and fundamentalists interpret the scriptures.

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UNITY vs CONFORMITY - discuss.

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

i've read the walsh trial that indicates the societies stance of ' unity at all costs, even if we're wrong ' but that sounds more like conformity to me.

so how do other religions or movements justify the range of beliefs within their respective movements?

for example, the born again movement, a massive range of beliefs, but they don't insist on conformity.

barry

It is well known the more herarchical a religion is the more underlying difference there is. Look at the roman Catholic church where local beliefs are mingled with ancestor worship, Voodoo etc. I am a former SDA and even though the church tries very hard for members to conformthere tremendous differences as some SDAs don't believe in the trinity, some churches have women clergy, some have practicing homosexuals as members and are active in the church.

The reason the witnesses seem to have unity is only because of there draconian policy of disfellowshiping and shunning. If these were taken away they would be like everyone else but with even more differences in there beliefs. The preoccupation on doctrine also feeds differences as people read the bible differently depending on background and prejudices.