Mindfield,
The reason the name Jehovah is so popular is because at least one third of the hyms of christian churches have that name. Borrow a hymbook from any denomination and have a look.
Barry
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26Proof the WT is God's Org?
by mindfield ini recall a conversation i once had with my jw uncle about the many doctrinal flip-flops, the blood issue, and how some in the cong.
treated me like @w#$@ even though i was never baptized.. funny, the only thing he could defend himself with was "well, do you know of any other religion that insists on god's name?
" i didn't know of any, so i coudn't really say yes.
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Need advice on getting DA'd
by MrMoe ini spoke with my mom this weekend.
i told her i was going to da myself.
i no longer wish to be a jw or have any dealings or ties.
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Dear Mr Moe,
As I understand it the Jws dont have a church role of members so the only way you or anyone else is considered a member is from the report of activity you would put in to the society. Therefore I agree with the other posters to DA would be of little worth and would only give short term emotional satisfaction. In fact you would be giving them the authority to again control the situation.
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To Jayhawk - Proclaimers Book Quotes
by YoYoMama inc. t. russell had been critical of those who had set various dates for the lords return, such as william miller and some second adventist groups.
*** jv 61-3 6 a time of testing (1914-1918) ***.
the years from 1914 to 1918 did, indeed, prove to be a testing season for the bible students.
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Dear Yo Yo Mama,
I dont go to youre church but in the church i go to there was no 1975 and thats because no one said the end would come then. The only way that people would beleive 1975 and armagedan is because the WT told them.
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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Danni,
To put some things in perspective look for some sites on the internet and see how other churches fair. See if other churches shun family members or disfellowship for disagreement with doctrinal positions. Or see if there is sites like this where so many people come to vent there anger, there has to be a reason for it, people dont do this for no reason at all.
Barry
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Question about the "7000-year" Creati...
by Bendrr inin all the time i was in the witnesses, i too was taught that the "creative days" of genesis were 7000 years long.
what is the scriptural evidence supporting that?.
in the bible, it also says that to god a 1000 years is a day.
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Bendrr,
I studied with the witnesses and from what i remember the 7000 year theoryis based on Bishop Uushers cronology, that the world is 6000 years old and we are in the 7th creative day the last 1000 years of the 7th creative day would be the millenium. Uusher was very specific about when God started creating the world. He even calculated he started his creative work 9am monday. Most churches dont follow Uushers cronology now.
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Snoring/ Help wanted
by Aussiemanhunter ini have a bad problem where i sore all night.
not just on the inhale, but on the exhale as well.
can anyone help me as my partner finds it hard to sleep.. any suggestions????.
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barry
Its a problem for me too I allways awake sore from bein beaten up , but no one admits to anything
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vegemite sandwiches arent bad
Barry
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Adventism and the year day principle
by barry inafter reading the excellent post by farkel i thought i may be able to contribute.. this principle [year day] is held as a biblical principle by adventists, jehovah's witnesses and the worldwide church of god.
it is also rejected by most adventists scholars also administraters and members.. the nineth chapter of daniel is used by some to try to prove the existance of the [year day] as it is clamed that it foretells the comming of the messiah.
so is the year day necessary here?
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Neonmadman,
The beleif in the Investigative is still the official position and held by those who would be considered traditional Adventists. The Evangelicals in the Church reject the investigative Judgementand has in the last 20 years been a hot topic at bible studies, a sure way to get into an arguement.The latest information I have is of Kai J Arasola the current president of East Finland's SDA comference wrote a doctoral dissertation from Uppsala University called '' The End of Historicism''. Arasola writes that the scolars of Adventism in Europe, America and around the world have long known. There is no biblical basis for 1844. Another Quote from a Scholar ''Very, very little is heard of 1844 from the pulpits...No theologians in our ranks comment on it only the unschooled.
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Adventism and the year day principle
by barry inafter reading the excellent post by farkel i thought i may be able to contribute.. this principle [year day] is held as a biblical principle by adventists, jehovah's witnesses and the worldwide church of god.
it is also rejected by most adventists scholars also administraters and members.. the nineth chapter of daniel is used by some to try to prove the existance of the [year day] as it is clamed that it foretells the comming of the messiah.
so is the year day necessary here?
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After reading the excellent post by Farkel I thought I may be able to contribute.
This principle [year day] is held as a biblical principle by Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and the Worldwide Church of God. It is also rejected by most Adventists scholars also administraters and members.
The nineth chapter of Daniel is used by some to try to prove the existance of the [year day] as it is clamed that it foretells the comming of the Messiah. So is the year day necessary here? Most textbooks of bible hermeneutics do not even mention the possibility of a year day principle.
Ok Daniels Seventy Weeks - Why Days Equal ''Years'' in this unique case before looking into whether Scripure teaches or supports the use of a Year-Day Principle, in this case nearly all Bible scholars agree that days do represent years. The days are presumed days of course as the prophecy doesnt actually use the word days it uses weeks and can also be translated 'sevens'.
So why are the seventy weeks correctly interpreted as seventy weeks of years or 70 times 7 years?
Daniel's audience would be familier with the three following idears.
The first is the seventy -year captivity was a punishment [Jeremiah 25:4-11]
The second is the concept of an original punishment being multiplied by seven[Leviticus 26:14-39]
THe third concept is that of weeks of years [Leviticus]The fourth idear is that Daniel employed figurative language where it says in Daniel two that the third kindom will rule over the world. This is not true of any historical empire. In fact many scholars feel that the number seven is used symbolically in Daniel 3,4 and 9.
Although the first three idears lead commentators to agree that seventy weeks of years is meant idear number four tells us we should not necessarily look for exactness any more than the furnace in Daniel 3 was heated exactly seven times hotter.
So in this case of seventy weeks days do represent years [presumed days admittedly] and they do not because of a year-day principle but because of the above reasons.
Application of the Year -Day Principle in the Interpretation of Scripture
The principle is applied very unevenly. According to Adventists Daniel 8[2300 days], Daniel 7,12 and Revelation 12 [time and times and half a time] Revelation 11 and 13 [forty two months] Revelation 11 and 12 [1260 days] Daniel 12 [1290 days] and Daniel12[1335 days] In the JW understanding it is appied in Daniel 4 and 9. However there are many places where predictive prophecy is given , and number of days given and it is not applied.In some cases, when the rule is not applied the predictive prophecies are not in apocalyptic sections. these include;
Jesus predicted he would be arrested in two days; Math12 - Jesus predicted he would be buried for three days Math 27-Jesus predicts his resurrection after 3 days.
Jonah prediction of the overturning of Nineveh in forty days
In three cases where predictive prophecies occur in apocalyptic the year day Adventists are themselves divided.Rev.2-Smyma is to suffer tribulation 10 days , some apply 10 years here
Rev 11 The two witnesses are applied to the time religion was outlawed during the french revolution others apply it to 1260 years and the JWs apply it to the secretary and treasure of the WT society being jailed from 1914-18 from memory.
Finally it is not applied to the thousand years of Revelation 20 if it was it would be 360,000 years.Two pragmatic Rules
[1] When a predictive prophecy includes a stated number of days, and application of the year day principle would appear plausible to a significant percentage of people , the principle is applied.
[2] When a predictive prophecy includes a stated number of days , but application of the principle would be viewed as silly, the principle is not applied. eg the buriel arrest and resurrection.Those who beleive in the principle often fail to apply it consistently and uniformly. They sometimes apply it to times not stated in days and do not apply it in cases where days is stated in a predictive prophecy.
Barry
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Hi to all the Girl's and Boy's
by Nute inofficially been out of the organization since 1990 .... i have e-mailed some of you already .... a very nice group of individuals i must say.
what does borg mean?
i did rattle some cages with the last post by silientlamb, but i guess that's what it is all about listening to both the good and the bad.
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Gday Nute,
Someone in chat thought Borg = Bible organisation i dont know if he was joking or not.
Barry