witnesses on the move .
published: saturday | july 17, 2004
a view of the entrance to the marliemount headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses in jamaica and the cayman islands.
Sorry...one final comment I forgot to address above....
No one ever said meeting attendance was required for the gift of everlasting life. God gives it freely. Meetings are for your benefit and the society has always stated this.
Any pioneer would know this. I'm amazed you don't. Or should I be?
witnesses on the move .
published: saturday | july 17, 2004
a view of the entrance to the marliemount headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses in jamaica and the cayman islands.
Look. At first, I felt justified doing this. But this isn't right. I'm not going to do this anymore. Nothing good will come of this and I am wasting my breath here. A good scripture comes to mind but I won't invoke it. I'm not here to insult anyone. And if I were an active Witness, I know any good Elder would tell me to not even bother with a site like this. There's more chance I would contaminte myself than there ever would be that I would help someone wake up and turn around from their badness.
With that, I wish you all well as humans trying to live on this planet in peace, but I condemn your actions, or more importantly your words, against the society and her people.
In the future, all I ask is that those of you who like to make assumptions about who someone is, you think before you speak again. I know I will. I'm as guilty of making assumptions as anyone.
And verify your facts! Don't believe things you read.
witnesses on the move .
published: saturday | july 17, 2004
a view of the entrance to the marliemount headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses in jamaica and the cayman islands.
In response to Cassiline:
You are correct. I heard a good quote from an intelligent man once. Every evil that man can perpetrate has already been perpetrated in the first 100 years of his existence. It's just been repeated over and over and over.
The point? Yes, things have been bad since the beginning. But the very fact that they ARE that bad is what needs to STOP! It just must STOP! God will stop it. And if he doens't or there is no God? I weep for the species that is content to continue allowing these atrocities in the name of "it's always been this way and always will".
But...you aren't 100% correct. I stated many facts in my post to help show this. Please, research it yourself. There are tons of good sources to help you see just how bad things are getting. No one who really looks it up will argue with me that crime is better, poverty is better, war is better...etc.... Unless they didn't really look it up or simply wish to do so to argue.
witnesses on the move .
published: saturday | july 17, 2004
a view of the entrance to the marliemount headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses in jamaica and the cayman islands.
Once again, someone thinks they know me.
Therapy? I am a diagnosed bipolar and have been for most of my adult life. I went to therapists galore and was enrolled in Texas' MHMR program for a while. None of this ever worked. Thanks to strong family support and natural medicines I have become quite capable of living a good life with my wife of 4 years now. I am a very well adjusted human being with my priorities on life, love, and happiness. What makes you think I don't try to live my life? I hold down my dream job (and worked very hard for 4 years to get it). I am saving for a great retirement that will allow my family to travel the globe. I go out every week to have a good time with my wife who is my best friend. I draw. I paint. I read. I'm an aspiring fiction writer (not published yet). Research what has me in an uproar? I thought I had made that clear. This site is just one thing that has me in an "uproar". People throwing accusations around without evidence. So please keep throwing the assumptions of who I am my way. I get a good laugh.
I have never seen evidence of sexism in the truth. Your very comment that "you didn't have a penis" tells me something of your character. That's as far as I'll go on that. There are many, many sisters at Bethel. So your not being accepted shows nothing to evidence any form of sexism. This also tells me that you may in fact be the one in need of therapy. You've taken a personal defeat (your not being accepted to Bethel) and turned it into an attack against the very organization you wanted to be a member of.
Now...if you are disgruntled. So be it. But don't be part of a group that has no objective other than to spread lies about a group of people who are trying to do nothing more than live a life of truth, love, and kindness. Where is the logic in that? Why do people want to attack others who simply want to live a life that pleases God? Your motives are suspect.
Open my eyes? I thought I had made that adequately clear in my last post, so I won't comment on this other than to say what more could I do to "open my eyes"? Please advise.
I'm not sure I see the point of the UN doc. I welcome an explanation of it's damning evidence against the Witnesses.
witnesses on the move .
published: saturday | july 17, 2004
a view of the entrance to the marliemount headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses in jamaica and the cayman islands.
A quote from the Silencelambs website....
02/07/01
I am writing to address an issue that transcends religious belief and exposes a reality that affects thousands of children everyday. I have served as a Christian minister for over twenty years. However, I can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as I do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder I am required to enforce. This policy, in my opinion, has harmed thousands, is leaving many unprotected, and provides refuge to outright criminals.
I am referring to a church policy to keep information about members who are pedophiles confidential. These pedophiles are protected by a church mandated "code of silence" where even members of the immediate family cannot be informed, and, in many cases, accused pedophiles remain in positions of responsibility within the church while their victims suffer in silence or face church sanctions. I believe this policy is unethical, immoral, and, in many states, illegal.
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You have got to be kidding me? "Code of Silence"? You're thinking of the wrong religion bud. Never in my time as a Witness did I ever here of this Code. "church mandated". Witnesses never refer to themselves as a church. This person's comments are highly suspect. Believe me, no witness would stand for child molestation. I don't care what they were told and by whom.
Stop believing the nonsense that is being fed to you be sites like this!
witnesses on the move .
published: saturday | july 17, 2004
a view of the entrance to the marliemount headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses in jamaica and the cayman islands.
Farkel,
You don't know me. You only think you do. As I said, I'm an EX-witness and I have no compunctions to making you look like a fool in your factless, baseless comments. I suggest you do a little independent research of your own and provide facts on this forum that back up what you claim to be a world that is better off than it used to be. 1 in every 2 American men will develop some form of cancer in their life time. 1 in 3 women. Aids is a global epidimic the likes of which have never been seen before (You say the bubonic plague was worse? Not even close. Look into it). Man can now kill by the dozens with modern assualt weaponry. This is the first time in human history in which we have the weaponry able to destroy the eco system of the planet many times over. For the first time in history, bacteria is engineered with the soul intention of massacering thousands of civilians. In Rawanda, nearly 1 million people were brutally murdered in the name of ethnic cleansing and such events continue to happen around the globe. In Bolivia, privatization of the water system (which eventually led to a revolt by the people) outlawed peasants from gathering rain water (Corporate greed at its best!). Small countries such as Jamaca are falling apart economically due to the greed of organizations such as the World Bank. The drug trade has become an international market that shatters millions (billions?) of lives (I know, I was one of them!) Please tell me you don't think I'm some low IQ dope brainwashed by the society. I am a member of Mensa. I do computer animation for a living. As I said before. You don't know me. And you obviously don't do the research you tell me to do for yourself. Just because you may have it good, doesn't mean everyone else does.
So some of you are ex-witnesses, maybe even District Overseers. Does that prove anything to me other than your apostacy? Even in Christ's times, there were high ranking members of the organization that turned against him!
Do I think god is vengeful? Absolutely not. Christ made it very clear to us just how loving God is. God is Love. Do I think God will kill anyone not deserving of death? Of course not. You do though. That's not my problem. There is nothing in the bible, nor anything preached by the society that indicates Jehovah is a hateful spiteful death-loving god as you try to say they do. But I am more than willing (as a humble person) to accept my own death as a result of my rebellion against him. Why? Because he made me and that is that. YOU would NOT even BE here if it weren't for his love. And yes, this is what the society teaches. That God has the right to do whatever he wants, and even though this is true, he has alway and will always act as a loving father. And was not Christ ready to give his life? Why should we not be willing to do the same? I would rather die a thousand times than to see one (even ONE) more person suffer in this world.
You'll have to excuse me if I seem angry and if I don't address all your (factless) comments. But I am angry. I am fed up with an evil world full of people who think they have everything figured out. I am sick of a world where Republicans and Democrats needlessly argue back and forth over who's side is better, when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain and the desire to do a little independent research and thinking that they are both part of a corporately controlled global governemnt that is slowly sucking (no rapidly sucking) this planet dry and leaving nothing but death (in the wars that are fought for there profit) and chaos in their wake! The whole two party system in America is a dog and pony show for the ignorant masses.
Oh, I'm a poor little ignorant brainwashed moron who only gets his info from the Watchtower! Please. I speak with my own mouth and my own brain. Why did I leave the organization? I never officially did. I just fell away. But why? Because I am weak. That's why. I know the truth when I see it though. Truth was the one thing that always appealed to me when I first started learing it. And no one can tell me that the things taught by the society are anything less than truth. I have studied the scriptures all too well on my own. Do I still have an open mind? Am I willing to change my views if confronted with hard evidence that I am wrong? You bet! I have yet to be given this evidence by anyone or anything in my life experiences.
Some witnesses that are preying on children and brutal? If so, I have never met one. And I promise you, the elders in the congregations I went to in my time would have quickly disfellowshiped them when found out. And if it was an Elder? Jehovah would have taken care of it in time. Does this mean the organization as a whole is evil? Not by a long shot. Not even in the same class as say the Catholic church. This is a purely false and malicious statement with not real proof other than a few people making these claims on the internet.
Bethel a slave factory? You know what? Forget it. I'm not even going to continue. This is too funny. May Jehovah forgive me for my anger.
Continue to believe what you want. You are lost. Your hatred will destroy you.
And if you are someone that HAS somehow been abused by a Witness. I truly apologize and sincerely hope that Jehovah exacts payment from that person. Because not only have they wronged you physically and emotionally, but they have turned you against truth and your creator who loves you. Me a hypocrite? LOL. I know exactly who I am BROTHER! I am a sinner and very well aware of my sins. Where that came from...who knows!
And oh...please back up any biblical claims with scripture in the future. It only makes you look good when you do. Do likewise with statements about how good things are. Just some friendly advice.
witnesses on the move .
published: saturday | july 17, 2004
a view of the entrance to the marliemount headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses in jamaica and the cayman islands.
My God, you have no concept of who Jehovah's Witnesses are as a people. I am an inactive(disassociated) Witness. I haven't been to Christian meetings in many years simply because I have chosen a life of sin. And I know Jehovah loves me but is not pleased with my lifestyle and am more than willing to accept my own death as a consequence. I look around me and see the world is falling apart and am more than ready to go down with it so that good, descent peole can finally live free of tyranny and wickedness.
Even in my sin, I know the Witnesses are descent, honest people who truely want to please God and help others. There is no brainwashing. I laugh at this. I nearly applied to go to Bethel when I was still walking the path, so that I could serve God with my whole heart and whole soul. (mind and body)
Anyone who says otherwise is simply spreading lies backed by an intense hatred for truth, love, and anything associated with those virtues.
I have been to many so-called Christian churches in my life. I have seen the evidence of their "truth" in the bombs they drop on other countries. I could go on and on about these so-called Christian faiths, but I choose not to. Soup Kitchens indeed! Feed the hungry and then send your young men to kill others in the name of Christ!
Even in my life of sin, I sincerely pray to Jehovah (though I wouldn't hold it against him if he didn't listen) that those of you who push away the truth and persecute any (imperfect) human who seeks it be forgiven and have your eyes and heart opened.
I will not post again to this forum, as I was looking for a forum of people that were uplifting one another and came across just the opposite. Feel free to rant at me.
