1) do the jws still believe that the first resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 or did they change that?.
2) do they still believe that jesus is present, the parousia is upon us and that he 'returned' invisibly in 1914 or has that also changed?.
http://www.144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#21.
"Rutherford from 1930 (and retrodating back to 1918) until his death proclaimed holy spirit unnecessary and that angels were the source of direction. "
I asked that question here once.
When and why was the Holy Spirit reinstated?
I don't remember the answers I got.
It's amazing to me how many Jw's don't know anything about the WTS past teachings.
Peace
according to the "new" light of the wts some of the "remant" will still be alive when armageddon breaks out.. on page 352 of the book "you may survive armegeddon onto god's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".. .
this sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.. .
peace.
" Not really sure how that was my fault."
Our own sin is our own fault.
"If the wages of sin is death, then at my death I have paid for my sins, you can't then resurrect me and try me for the sins I just paid for and then condemn me to everlasting punishment."
Where does the bible say that physical death pays for our sins?
Physical death might pay for Adam's sin but not our own sin.
I am not and have never been a JW.
I had more to say but I just realized you are a non-believer.
Sorry.
according to the "new" light of the wts some of the "remant" will still be alive when armageddon breaks out.. on page 352 of the book "you may survive armegeddon onto god's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".. .
this sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.. .
peace.
"but we were born into sin so we had no choice"
You really need to read Romans 9. This is not our game, played by our rules. God is sovereign, not man.
We are born with the knowledge of good and evil. So we are responsible for our own actions. We are condemned by our own sin, not the sin of others.
The wages of our sin is the SECOND death.
God's free gift is life. We do not deserve life but through God's grace, made possible by the sacrafice of Christ and given to us according to our faith (which is also a gift from God), we will be given life. Not the death that we all deserve.
Peace
1) do the jws still believe that the first resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 or did they change that?.
2) do they still believe that jesus is present, the parousia is upon us and that he 'returned' invisibly in 1914 or has that also changed?.
http://www.144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#21.
w07 1/1 p. 28 par. 12
"12 At this point, it may be helpful to consider what might be viewed as a Bible parallel. Jesus Christ was anointed as the future King of God’s Kingdom in the fall of 29 C.E. Three and a half years later, in the spring of 33 C.E., he was resurrected as a mighty spirit person. COULD IT , then, be reasoned that since Jesus was enthroned in the fall of 1914, the resurrection of his faithful anointed followers began three and a half years later, in the spring of 1918? That is an INTERESTING POSSIBILITY . Although this cannot be directly confirmed in the Bible, it is not out of harmony with other scriptures that indicate that the first resurrection got under way soon after Christ’s presence began."
This is what I was refering to in my first response. I don't think the WTS has said anything else on the subject since but they have, with this publication, hedged there original position.
Peace
according to the "new" light of the wts some of the "remant" will still be alive when armageddon breaks out.. on page 352 of the book "you may survive armegeddon onto god's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".. .
this sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.. .
peace.
"The bad will get death and the good will get life based on what they did during their lives, which is written in scrolls that are opened to judge them."
So if you believe that, what do you do with Romans 8:1 or Romans 5:1? I know what you do, you apply them only to the 144,000. Without biblical reason.
What do you do with "all haved sinned and fallen short of the golry of God" and "the wages of sin is death". Don't bother answering. I don't want to hear more WTS BS.
If we are to be judged by what we have done, we will all surely die. But if we believe in Christ we will not die because our faith is seen by God as rightiousness.
I can't believe that a book as easy to understand as the bible is so misunderstood by so many. You're either not trying or your trying too hard.
Peace (Philippians 4:7)
1) do the jws still believe that the first resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 or did they change that?.
2) do they still believe that jesus is present, the parousia is upon us and that he 'returned' invisibly in 1914 or has that also changed?.
http://www.144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#21.
You read me all wrong. I am not a JW and never will be. I was just stating what the WTS teaches. I know that they are all wrong.
I also know that you are all wrong. How many years were you a JW? I don't think you have cleared you head of all the WTS BS yet. Keep working on it.
The bible is easy to understand. We don't need to "work out" all kinds of dates and things. Revelation and Daniel are not where one finds basics beliefs. Don't get too hung up on prophecy.
Understanding prophecy will not save you. Not understanding prophecy will not comdemn you.
Peace
1) do the jws still believe that the first resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 or did they change that?.
2) do they still believe that jesus is present, the parousia is upon us and that he 'returned' invisibly in 1914 or has that also changed?.
http://www.144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#21.
In 1995 the WTS changed the meaning of "this generation".
Peace
1) do the jws still believe that the first resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 or did they change that?.
2) do they still believe that jesus is present, the parousia is upon us and that he 'returned' invisibly in 1914 or has that also changed?.
http://www.144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#21.
1) do the jws still believe that the first resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 or did they change that?.
2) do they still believe that jesus is present, the parousia is upon us and that he 'returned' invisibly in 1914 or has that also changed?.
http://www.144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#21.
I beleive in 2007 they say that the ressurection "MAY" have started in 1918. I think that same mag says that the separation work (sheep & goats) does not start until after the big "A". So I guess they have not been doing that work all this time.
This is the same mag that changes the 1935 heaven cutoff date. We now "don't know" when that date will be.
Ah, new light. Ain't it great?
Peace
according to the "new" light of the wts some of the "remant" will still be alive when armageddon breaks out.. on page 352 of the book "you may survive armegeddon onto god's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".. .
this sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.. .
peace.
Here's the quote from the book. I hate typing but I do it for you. :-)
It's talking about how the "great crowd" will not die in the big "A", and how they will live on, on earth.
then it says "True, the remnant of the "little flock" of Christ's joint heir must follow his steps down into death, proving faithful until death in vindication of Jehovah's sovereign will.
They must lay aside blood, flesh and bone, in order to be resurrected a "spiritual body" and be "conformed to his glorious body", for a "spirit does not have flesh and bones" and "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdon"."
So I guess the WTS is saying that they live through the big "A" just to be made dead by God so they then can be resurrected????
Peace
