Posts by bob1999

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The Trinity

by The Quiet One in

i have a question, primarily for trinitarians, but anyone's more than welcome to comment.

what scriptural basis is there for believing in the trinity?

i can understand some having the view that jesus/jehovah both can be worshipped, and the view that jesus should be, but where in the bible is the holy spirit worshipped?

bob1999

This is a good study of the subject.

http://bible.org/article/trinity-triunity-god

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Gods organization on Satans organization

by Marvin Shilmer in

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friends

gods organization on satans organization .

today i uploaded a new article to my blog comparing watchtowers complaint of christendom against its own actions against the benchmark of disfellowshipping for criticizing religious teaching.

its telling!

bob1999

"You use a 1930 article for the first quote and a 1980 article for the second. I don't think the 1930's Watchtower should be compared to the 1980's Watchtower in the way you compared them."

I don't see why not.

The WTS claimed then as it does today to be "God's mouthpiece"

There is only 50 years between those quotes.

There is more than 50 years between books of the bible yet believers find nothing but harmony.

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Is Matthew 24 future or fulfilled?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i believe the wts has completely misapplied matthew 24:1-35. .

i believe the scripture is quite clear that jesus was speaking to his own generation and not some obscure future or 1914 generation.. if you happen to be a jw and/or futurist, what makes you believe jesus was talking about events that would transpire in the 20th/21st century?.

vander.

bob1999

Just look at the questions the desciples asked.

Matt 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming [presence] and of the end of the age?”

The "age" that the desciples were living in was the Mosaic age. That only ended when the temple was distroyed.

Hebrews 8:13 shows that even at the time of the writing (of Hebrews) the Mosaic age had not ended yet.

Even though Jesus was standing before them, the desciples knew that He's presence "parousias" could not start until the Mosaic age had ended.

The presence that the WTS teaches as starting in 1914 (or 1874 as taught until at least 1929) really started in 70AD.

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If Jesus were alive today,

by badseed in

i wonder what privileges he would receive in the congregation?

would they allow him to voice his opinion or have a say in the decisions made?.

bob1999

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If Jesus were alive today,

by badseed in

i wonder what privileges he would receive in the congregation?

would they allow him to voice his opinion or have a say in the decisions made?.

bob1999

According to the bible Jesus is alive today.

I believe the bible to be the word of God. So Jesus is alive today.

I have no answers to your questions.

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2011 District Convention Beware of Apostates Sound Clip Youtube Video

by andys in

i don't know how to embed youtube videos on here but heres the link:.

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http://youtu.be/hjgzlpbjilw.

bob1999

" 17 I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned."

Notice how the speaker says nothing about those who "put obstacles in your way contrary to the treaching you have learned"

I assume that the 'teachings you have learned' are the gospel of Christ.

Verse 25 " 25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ...."

But the WTS has changed the gospel of Christ and does not teach it. So who are the ones to watch out for?

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Is Rev 5:11-14 Worship or Obeisance?

by JCISGOD98 in

i asked a jw last week the following question, "is revelation 5:11-14 a worship act to the lamb or an act of obeisance?.

revelation 5:11-14 nwt states and i saw, and i heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: the lamb that was slaughtered is worthy to receive the power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing.

because it's an act of worship and it is not allow in your kingdom hall.

bob1999

To me, it's easy for a discussion with JW's to turn into "you people aren't true christians".

Consider that the WTS teaches that only the 144000 are part of the New Covenant.

So to a JW only the 144000 are Christians, if we use the Bible to define "Christian".

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Study Conductor Challenge (plus hello!)

by educatingMyself in

alreet everyone!.

i've been watching and learning for a while, nice one on helping me see the real truth!.

long story short -> got interested in christianity, jws first to ask me about it, studied for a few months, realised they were wrong, tried to be a good undercover apostate, got bored, left, joined a local protestant church.. anyway thats not the reason i'm posting.

bob1999

n 1916 Russell announced in the September 1, 1916 Watch Tower, on page 265, that Armageddon had already started:

In the meantime, our eyes of understanding should discern clearly the Battle of the Great Day of God Almighty now in progress.

In 1917 the Society published Pastor Russell's Sermons, which said on page 676:

The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures.

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Study Conductor Challenge (plus hello!)

by educatingMyself in

alreet everyone!.

i've been watching and learning for a while, nice one on helping me see the real truth!.

long story short -> got interested in christianity, jws first to ask me about it, studied for a few months, realised they were wrong, tried to be a good undercover apostate, got bored, left, joined a local protestant church.. anyway thats not the reason i'm posting.

bob1999

"Despite what many of Jehovah's Witnesses believe today, C. T. Russell did not believe that 1914 marked the establishment of the Kingdom of God in heaven, because that had already happened in 1878. Neither did he believe that 1914 would be followed by another generation of conflict without any intervention by God. He did expect that in 1914 the saints would be glorified and they would be carried off to heaven to rule with Jesus."

You should read this website,

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/part-2-statements-concerning-1799-1874.html

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Study Conductor Challenge (plus hello!)

by educatingMyself in

alreet everyone!.

i've been watching and learning for a while, nice one on helping me see the real truth!.

long story short -> got interested in christianity, jws first to ask me about it, studied for a few months, realised they were wrong, tried to be a good undercover apostate, got bored, left, joined a local protestant church.. anyway thats not the reason i'm posting.

bob1999

The book The Time Is At Hand, 1916 edition, page ii, (forward), said:

The Bible chronology therin presented show that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873.

The book The Day of Vengeance (The Battle of Armageddon), 1897, page 621 said:

Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874.

The 1921 book The Harp of God said on page 236:

"The time of the end" embraces a period from 1799 A.D., as above indicated, to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. The time of the Lord's second presence dates from 1874, as above stated. The latter period is within the first named, of course, and in the latter part of the period known as "the time of the end.

In a similar fashion the March 1, 1922 Watch Tower said:

The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874.

The book Creation, 1927, pages 294, 295, 298 said:

Twelve hundred and sixty years from 539 A.D. brings us to 1799, which is another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of "the time of the end." From shortly after 1799, the date of the beginning of "the time of the end," we should expect to find an increase of knowledge, particularly with reference to the Bible.
There are two important dates here that we must not confuse, but clearly differentiate; namely, the beginning of "the time of the end" and the beginning of the presence of the Lord. "The time of the end" embraces a period from 1799 A.D. to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. The time of the Lord's second presence dates from 1874 and is during the latter part of the period known as "the time of the end."
The book Prophecy, 1929, pages 65-66, said:
.... the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D. This proof is specifically set out in the booklet entitled Our Lord's Return.
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