Captain and others: Thanks for posting that info. Very interesting! Deny deny deny. No matter WHAT evidence is presented, there is always always a way to skirt around it, justify it, demonize it, or ignore it.
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30ZEITGEIST-The Movie. And The Code of Hammurabi. Shattering!
by Jez inhave you seen this movie?
if not, watch it and let me know what you think.
you can watch it all right here, no need to rent it.
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ZEITGEIST-The Movie. And The Code of Hammurabi. Shattering!
by Jez inhave you seen this movie?
if not, watch it and let me know what you think.
you can watch it all right here, no need to rent it.
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I knew the jesus myth was pretty well recycled, but didnt know about the laws. Not to argue, but if the hammurabi laws were written in 1760 bc. wouldnt the mosaic laws pre date them by a few thousand years?
Genesis was written in 1513 bc. That is newer than 1760 bc. You count down. The Hammurabi laws are older.
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ZEITGEIST-The Movie. And The Code of Hammurabi. Shattering!
by Jez inhave you seen this movie?
if not, watch it and let me know what you think.
you can watch it all right here, no need to rent it.
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Have you seen this movie? If not, watch it and let me know what you think. You can watch it all right here, no need to rent it. Just click on the link below. It is fascinating and educates you about what religion/Jesus/Moses etc really is. Recycled archetypes used to explain the universe, in particular, astrology.
If you have already seen it, let me know what you think.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331
The other thing I wanted to share is something I saw at the Louvre when I was there at Spring Break. Check it out below. The bible is full of plagerism. I have not yet done it to all the laws, but the laws that I have cross referenced with the biblical laws are almost identical. The bible was written after the Code of Hammurabi. I had always grown up naively thinking that the biblical laws were the oldest and (gulp) only laws written down regarding how to live life. They most certainly were not.
The Code of Hammurabi (also known as the Codex Hammurabi and Hammurabi's Code) was created ca. 1760 BC (middle chronology) and is one of the earliest extant sets of laws and one of the best preserved examples of this type of document from ancient Mesopotamia. It was created by Hammurabi. Still earlier collections of laws include the codex of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC), the Codex of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC).
The Code contains an enumeration of crimes and their various punishments as well as settlements for common disputes and guidelines for citizens' conduct. The Code does not provide opportunity for explanation or excuses, though it does imply one's right to present evidence. For a comprehensive summary, see Babylonian law.
The Code was openly displayed for all to see; thus, no man could plead ignorance of the law as an excuse. Scholars, however, presume that few people could read in that era, as literacy was primarily the domain of scribes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi)
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Why did you get married?
by pratt1 inas a young dub in the 80's me along with many of my friends got married, either in our teens or early 20's.. in my area, if you were over 25 and not married, it was percieved that something was wrong with you or you were probably engaging in sex with a "worldly" person.. by why did so many of us feel the need to get married so young?.
i believe it was because of one of three reasons.. 1. you wanted to get out of your parets home.. 2. you had already gone "too far" with you girlfriend or boyfriend.. 3. you were just an average normal teenager and you knew this was the only way you could legally have sex.. .
was this true in your area?.
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First time as a JW: We had already had sex many times. I was 17, he was 23, and he said that in order to right things before God, we needed to get married. Nothing was more important to me than my relationship with God, so I agreed. Plus I thought I loved him. The sex was horrible! I laid there, it was over in about 5 mins. GROSS!
Second time, not a JW: Love.
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My 17 year old daughter has so many problems
by Jez inwell, my 17 year old has left home in a horribly negative way.
she has had many problems for many years.
she ran away a year ago, we dragged her home, took her to the hospital for bulimia and suicidal tendencies.
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Thanks bikerchic. I miss her so much. Everyday I think about her. It is so irritating because she is always right there at the edge of my thoughts, just waiting to pounce in.
Today, a mental health worker told me that it is no use looking for answers, there are none. To just stop doing that because her perception is her reality. My perception of her life, is not hers.
I am just so sad and wonder if I will ever see my firstborn again. We had so many plans together. I dreamt last night that she came home told me that she needed me and we were cuddling in bed like we use to. It was so real and felt so good to hold her.
I am just hoping that somewhere deep inside of her, she remembers how she was raised, all the things we did together as a family, the talks we have had, the kindness and love that has been shown to her. I hope she never forgets me because I hope that the little things she does, reminds her of me.
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My wife left me two weeks ag
by littlemike ini dont post on here that often but look everyday.. i used to be an elder and left the witnesses 5 years ago.
my wife left 6 years ago.. in my opinion my wife and i have had the best 5 years of our lives because we have been married 28 years.. after 28 years of marriage she sent me a text you need to go home there is a letter on our bed.
in the letter she clearly states she has left me because she does not love me in the real way.
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I agree with garybuss. I have seen my sister jump from relationship to relationship, constantly looking for some kind of 'prince'. She is now 40, and just starting to realize that people are individuals first, couples second. Together is a choice. Life is so short, so full of crap, that to me, it is petty to stand ground and not take someone back if they are truly sorry and you truly love them still.
Now, about this post, we don't know the full story about why she left. After 28 years of marriage, looking back, was there not any signs at all of her discontent? My friend is leaving her boyfriend of 7 years and now that she has made the decision, put a deposit on another place, he is trying. He is begging and telling her that he will try now. But she is done loving him. She tried for years to love an unemotional, unresponsive man and she refuses to open her heart up again. There were signs for years, she TOLD him blatenly for years what was wrong, how she felt, what was missing, what she needed, begging him to tell her what he needed/wanted out of their relationship. Nothing. Now, he is surprised. Duh.
It was the same with me. 14 years of marriage. It took me 10 years to leave the abusive bastard. Once he knew I was serious, well then and only then was he apologetic, wanted counselling, begged, cried, wanted to talk, but the door, for me, was closed. I knew I would never open it to him again. To hear him now, he was shocked and surprised that I left him. Didnt see it coming. Intentional blindness to relationship problems is a choice.
So, my advice, there is nothing you can do other than learn from this experience. She didn't 'just leave' after that long in a relationship. Obviously the two of you grew apart and stopped communicating. I am so sorry for your pain at the realization of this, but maturity and moving on will require that you honestly examine your relationship with her. If not, like my sister and so many others I know, the balance of the relationship just carries forward.
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Calling All UK ers I'm coming for a visit.
by noni1974 inand i need advice on what to see.i'm not coming till next summer but i would like to know what i should plan to go see and what should i stay away from.i'm going to be traveling alone.a single female american.. .
i want to see london.i know that.i want to see the crown jewels and buckingham palace.i want to see the changing of the guard.i want to ride a double decker bus.i want to ride the tube.i also want to go out and see the country side.i'm planning on going to the aposta bbq next year.i was also thinking of taking the train to paris while i'm there just to see the eiffel tower.maybe only for a day or so.i also want to see scotland and ireland if i can.maybe only the big citys but i still want to go.. .
i'm going to get a monthly rail pass so i can travel around here and there for about 2 or 3 weeks depends on the money.i also want to go over to europe if i can.since i'll be so close i can't see why i shouldn't.lol i also here flights are cheep so why not.. .
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Stay away from the big cities...ie. London. Been there twice. Once to see Phantom and just this March. March was better because we stayed at Arran House on Gower Street. Lots of B&Bs there like this. You can check this place out on the internet. http://www.arranhotel-london.com/ Walking distance to Circle Square, Piccadilly Circus,West minister abbey, Houses of Parliment blew me away,Theaters, British Museum, etc. Loved walking around this time. Very safe area for a single female. Took the subway up to Candem Town to check out the gothic section of London. Pub crawling is fun. In March I went on a boat ride down the River Thames. EXCELLENT way to see the sites, hear a tour and meet ppl. I got hit on by the driver of the boat. Major cute young guy that invited me to go pubbing with him that night. I played along, didn't go of course because I am married and was 4 months pregnant. Shhhhh. Cheap markets up there and excellent clothes/culture.
My favorite thing to do is to visit little English towns. My husband is from Grimsby, so I LOVE York because of the Minster there. http://www.yorkminster.org/ Europe's largest gothic cathedral in Northern Europe. Excellent town to walk around in seeped in history.
My other fav town is Lincoln because of the Cathedral there. http://www.lincolncathedral.com/ This is where part of the DaVinci Code was filmed. Another gothic building and absolutely stunning. Great town. Great B&Bs in both York and Lincoln.
I love the mansions/houses there. My fav is the Burghley House http://www.stamford.co.uk/burghley/ Unbelieveable. You can't imagine the heaven and hell staircase until you see it. It is mind blowing.
Castles. Edinburgh Castle is great. But my favorite is Warwick Castle. http://www.warwick-castle.co.uk/warwick2004/index.asp If you can get up there, well worth it.
Stay away from the cheap ridiculous York Dungeon or London Dungeon. Tourist rip-off.
St. Paul's Cathedral is beautiful. It is where Charles and Diana got married.
I hope that this is a good start. I have more ideas if you want them. But that is some of my favorite. When you say "Europe" don't quite know where you mean. When you decide where in Europe, I have been to Paris, some other small towns in France (Normandy/Arras), Amsterdam, Germany, Belgium. Let me know and I will tell you specifically what I loved and didn't.
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My 17 year old daughter has so many problems
by Jez inwell, my 17 year old has left home in a horribly negative way.
she has had many problems for many years.
she ran away a year ago, we dragged her home, took her to the hospital for bulimia and suicidal tendencies.
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Well, she contacted me, but only to tell me to f$&* off. Just those 2 words. I hear through her friends that she is trying to get fake ID to try to get out of the town she is in and into a bigger city.
I phoned Mental Health again and the Dr. said that the Mental Health Act says that someone can only be committed for a serious mental illness, of which he does not think she has. He put me in touch with a Drug and Alcohol worker that works for Mental Health. This worker is going to go to the house she is staying at to try to talk to her. I have very little hopes of him being able to break down this major wall she has built around herself.
Yesterday was a really really bad day for me. One thing my husband said though is helping me. He said that I am the one paying for her decisions and that it is ruining my life, this baby's life before it is even born, his life and ultimately our 12 year old's life. That I have to pull it together for 4 other lives now.
I am trying.
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My 17 year old daughter has so many problems
by Jez inwell, my 17 year old has left home in a horribly negative way.
she has had many problems for many years.
she ran away a year ago, we dragged her home, took her to the hospital for bulimia and suicidal tendencies.
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As usual, you people are amazing and always there when I need to hear from you. Thank you. I will keep you updated.
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Did anyone here ever make the truth their own?
by slimboyfat inonly encouraging comments please.
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I have no idea now, what that phrase, "make the truth your own" means. First of all, what is "the truth"??? Secondly, suppose I buy into the belief that it is what JWs teach and only what JWs teach, does that mean that I can decide for myself what I want to believe, how I want to live in that religion, decide what applies to my personal life and does not, whom I can talk to, associate with, etc etc.
I mean, if it is truly, "my own", should I not be the only one to decide how to live within it? Otherwise, it is a lie, it is not mine, it is theirs. What part of it belongs truly to me? Or is it just me finally bending over and accepting everything that is told to me without questioning it, publically anyways?
Things that make you go..hmmmmm Jez