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My experience with a group like the JWs

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hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

I found some replies to this issue on a another board that are so well researched that I am going to post them here in two separate posts:

I looked this up somewhere, now I have to find the link again.

The only public reference to Wally Shiel and CAN is AFTER CAN basically disfellowshipped FOCUS.

In other words, some members of CAN formed an offshot branch called FOCUS due I presume to internal philosophical differences (but I couldn't find what those were specifically) but certainly some disagreements with Rick Ross. CAN then gave FOCUS the boot and kept the name for itself, forcing the new 'child' to call itself by something new, it chose 'ReFOCUS'. It was at this time that Wally Shiel's name comes into the picture for the first time. Shortly after this ReFOCUS got its 501 status.

Sometime around now also, CAN had been fighting a number of lawsuits led it seems by a Scientology-related attorney. One finally 'stuck' and led to the demise of the group and the name and other assets being bought up by what appears to be Scientology money.

1) People in the field are getting away from the word CULT, and certainly moving away from the word 'cult' and today I certainly wouldn't have it as part of my group's name.

2) The idea of forcibly changing someone's belief system has a long and glorious history among a certain Bible-based religious beliefe system. I think they believe their God is really STUPID and he can't really read hearts, and he would hold something against someone they couldn't help. but that goes to teh root of that belief system, does it not: that God can't forgive people for being born imperfect, oh no we must have thousands of years of blood, guts and glory to fix this why: because God proves how powerful he is--by doing NOTHING.

3)Yes forcible programming was never held in high esteem by very many, and recently not by anyone prominent in the filed of religious abuse; not that I could find.

Just my 1/2 cents worth
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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

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friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

Approaches To Education, Inc. Public Statement

For Immediate Release:

Former A.T.E. board member Kindra Peterson (A.K.A Kindra Partice, A.K.A. Kindra Frazier) has made unprovoked attacks and libels at Rev. John B. Brown the current president and CEO of formerly Approaches To Education, Inc. Mrs. Peterson made an unprovoked attack at Rev. Brown for the following memo: ? I just wanted to let everyone know that Wally Shiel is not longer a counselor with Ex-JWs of AZ or any program in Approaches To Education, Inc.? This was all that was said. Ex-Jehovah?s Witnesses of Arizona is a support group for people that have issues with this strict, authoritarian religion. Mrs. Peterson responded Mr. Brown by resigning for reasons that ?are very clear to everyone.? Mr. Shiel was terminated for making bigoted remarks to support members like ?the reason why you forgot about Easter is because you are not Christian?I cannot believe that you left Christianity,? and for encouraging support group member to only advertise only at Christian churches.

Mr. Shiel is an Evangelical Christian that believes everybody who is not a Christian is flawed, and that people must be saved only by Jesus in order to live. Mr. Shiel also believes in the scientifically un-credible ?Brainwashing Theory and that belief that groups he labels as ?cults? use extensive forms of phobias and triggers to control people. Mr. Shiel does not have the expertise to realize that cult groups use normal everyday forms of persuasion and social influence, and that these alleged phobias and triggers that cult members develop are better explained by Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Acute Stress Disorder, and Adjustment Disorders

About a month later Mrs. Peterson launched another assault at Mr. Brown making inequitable remarks like ? John you told me you were not a Rev. and that you were Buddhist and part Wiccan, so please enlighten us as to who you really are.? Rev. Brown is a Reverend, has studied Buddhism and researched Wicca. Mrs. Peterson also said, People need to know the WHOLE story.? Mrs. Peterson is referring to the issue with Mr. Shiel, of which she is only a third party, not a witness to anything between Mr. Shiel and Approaches To Education. She does not know the whole story, and Mr. Shiel has been silent about the issue.

Mr. Peterson has committed libel by saying ?the group disbanded because it was a unanimous decision that having it at a person?s house was uncomfortable and the host was practicing things that weren't conducive to a SAFE support group.? The support group is not disbanded.

Mrs. Peterson has what is commonly called Multiple Personality Disorder, and it is believed that she constantly exaggerates events in her favor.

Mrs. Peterson also is using the Ex-Jehovah?s Witnesses of Arizona with out this programs permission. Mrs. Peterson refuses to stop using this name. In our opinion Mrs. Peterson is nothing but sick, middle-aged pathological liar whose only benefit to society is to leave it alone.

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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

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friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

Thanks for the concern. All the suggestions you gave have been already considered. The support group is actually part of a human rights organization called Approaches To Education, Inc. We ar currently considering NGO status with the UN DPI. The Board supports the releasing of this information but remains divided on the legal pursuit of this issue. I have consulted with a civil rights attorney. Thanks for your support

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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

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friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

Sorry if my initial post appeared to lack clarity everyone. I will try to go into detail what went on in this situation. I will use names this time.

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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

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friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

The following press release has be published about this issue:

For Immediate Release:

Local Deprogrammer?s Religious Discrimination

Local anti-cult deprogrammer Wally Shiel has harassed a member of a group that gives support to Jehovah?s Witnesses who want to leave the religion. Members of this religion who want to leave are shunned and called ?apostates.? Over the last two years Mr. Shiel and his wife Holly have made such comments to a support group member as, ?the reason why you believe in homosexuality is because you are not Christian???the reason why you forgot about Easter is because you are not Christian???I cannot believe you left Christianity,? and encouraging support group leaders to only advertise its program services at Christian churches

Mr. Shiel is an evangelical Christian and was a leader in an organization called Cult Awareness Network (CAN). The Cult Awareness Network went bankrupt as result of a lawsuit filed because of a forcible deprogramming. Mr. Shiel has claimed he attempted a forcible deprogramming but never successfully completed it. Forcible deprogrammings violate the human rights of those that are deprogrammed.

The Tucson Human Rights Center is making the public aware of Mr. Wally Shiel, what he stands for, and is encouraging people not to consult with him. He is not a licensed counselor.

For more information please contact the Tucson Human Rights Center at [email protected]

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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

jw
friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

The support group is comrised of former JWs. I am just shocked that a counselor who says he wants to help former JWs could behave in such a matter

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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

jw
friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

OK....Take care Little Witch

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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

jw
friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

Little Witch, I wanted to share it. The group acts like JWs. I wanted to share it with others and get advice

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My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB in

jw
friends

hi everyone, i would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the jw mindset yet.

i tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me.

if they want to do that i will just post what they say.

JBB

Hi everyone, I would like to share some information about a support group that has not quite gotten over the JW mindset yet. I tried to close this issue, but a member of this group launched a campaign against me. If they want to do that I will just post what they say. The group is made up of ex_JWs. It's called the Hope Group of . We all live in Tucson, Arizona . They tried to go one a yahoo group and tell everyone and that there is no Ex-JW support group in , and that is why there needs to be one. I facilitate a support group in , and this cult group has been told that. They have not removed that statement. The person who made the statement is ********* in . The leader of this cult is Walter Shiel (Wally). Wally and his life have even made such statements to members of our support group like "the reason why you forgot about Easter is because you are not Christian," and trying to encourage our members to only promote our support group in . My wife and I are just flabbergasted at this group's behavior. ********* even tried to say our group had disbanded. She has been notified about that, and has not retracted the statement. ******* actually believes everybody who is not a Christian is flawed. ******* has been so desperate to defend her group and hurt mine that she has actually said: ""Oh! **** you told me you were not a Rev and that you were Buddhist, and part Wiccan, so please enlighten us as to who you really are, since the email says "Rev" again? in an attempt to maliciously discredit me. ******* response to all this was ?we did the best we could." According to ******, he possesses a child porn video in his house. ****** claimed that this video was stolen from a ?cult? called the Children of God, copied and mailed to him. Mr. Shiel is an accessory to theft and transportation of child pornography, and is in possession of child pornography. Mr. Shiel has also been a deprogrammer in the past and was a leader in the Cult Awareness Network that went bankrupt in a law suit involved a failed forced deprogramming. ******* has turned this incident into a circus, and the public needs to be warned about this ***** and *****. I don't believe the way these people have behaved toward me. The Hope Group of is a cult, and has tried to slander and libel the support group that I started 4 years ago. Thanks for letting me share

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Some Groups are just like the JWs

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hi everyone

JBB

Hi everyone