Posts by battman

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Big Boys Don't Cry........

by ISP in

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big boys don't cry!

well that's what we are told anyway!

and i guess this convention is widespread in many cultures.

Hi somebody,
i am a 54yo "boy" who has been crying a lot the last five
years, mainly due to wife being unable to "forgive" and to
say "i love you". it all became a business relationship.
she is still "strong" in "the truth" where by a whispering
campagain i am considered "bad ASSociation. such love!
esp. when i put heart soul and my entire being to work
whole soled for J. i am getting better but it has taken
a serious effort.

men/boys do need "time alone" (see Men are from Mars)
and maybe since he could expect/forsee his Dad's death
he had resloved that issue in advance. Getting fired from
a job is a huge assault on one's very basic ID as a person.

i do not feel it is possible to change another, just tell him
you love him and be there for him. as i have said before

when the student is ready the teacher appears.

love to all, i often almost start to cry when i read some of
the heartfelt posts, maybe when i go to bed tonite.

battman

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"Survival Kit"

by DevilsAdvocate_DA in

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"an everyday servival kit".

toothpick.

rubber band.

battman

Fred,
where was the "organization" when "Israel" split into two
kingdoms (the 2 tribe and ten tribe kingdoms) ?

battmsan

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Unresolved anger or overwhelming sadness?

by LDH in

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well, which is it guys?.

are you filled with anger at the wbts or just sad that things aren't what you though they were?.

i'm very sad that my parents won't talk with my sister (da'd) or my brother (df'd) even though the society's own web-site says that such actions do not sever family ties.

battman

Hi Zev,
Your story sounds very similar to mine. Pro help
probably saved my life. I learned that there is
no "one absolute truth". My wife had her version
and I needed to learn to develop mine. Much
hard work. Wish I had found this DB much earlier.

OH well. I have also learned that
"when the student is ready the teacher appears".

battman

22

Their Time Will Come.....

by ISP in

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despite an abundance of evidence that hits at the heart of the wts, it should be no surprise that many seem to ignore everything and continue.

you may wonder why particularly as many of us were in the wts and did not ignore the comprehensive mass of proof against the claims and teachings made.

typically brothers can enjoy themselves as elders.

battman

Hi Shauna,
I just reread your post and my experience and
background is very similar to yours. I became
a JW due to wifes' influence and family harmony,
rather than stick up for my own "independent"
thinking. When she told me to move out I was
devastated and it took over a year and serious
counseling from a professional therapist to
realize she had her "version" of "the truth"
and it was OK for me to have my "truth.

Then a JW friend said search the net for information.
WOW. What a relief!!!! I realize that I never
again will have "the truth" but will enjoy the
life long search for it and really enjoy the love
of new friends and the help they provide.

May my surplus cover your deficiency and your
surplus bail me out when down. The greatest command
is Love but it takes courage, courage and more
courage to stick ones neck out but as you are
finding out the reward is worth it.

battman

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Their Time Will Come.....

by ISP in

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friends

despite an abundance of evidence that hits at the heart of the wts, it should be no surprise that many seem to ignore everything and continue.

you may wonder why particularly as many of us were in the wts and did not ignore the comprehensive mass of proof against the claims and teachings made.

typically brothers can enjoy themselves as elders.

battman

Sounds exactly like a good friend of mine.

When the student is ready
the teacher will appear.

A season and a time for everything.

love to all in the search for "Truth"

battman

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R U disfellowshipped 2

by DFshipped in

hi people.

i am a df'd person hoping to return to the fold.

i am not critical of the decision to df me nor of the loving organization i believe to be in the palm of jesus hand.. i would find it most encouraging to hear from others who feel the same and would like to "hold hands" on the way back.. this board is hailed as a supportive respectful place so if you do not fit this description may i ask you to move on and not hinder the participants here in following their god given right to pursue their goal.

battman

Hi Curly,
I enjoyed your input. We should award two points to Wendy for
starting the "Legal" issue of two DF assoc. I do not want to speak for her but I can see both the sublte humor in her question and
real reason to seriously consider the matter. All this points up
to what I feel is part of the problem, tooooo many rules!!!
KISS = Keep it simple stupid. The WT keeps "simplyfing" - NOT.

I try to remember the greatest command "Love". I have spent many
hours trying to find "The Truth" and the deeper I dig the more
confused I get. Sometimes it feels better to step back catch a
fresh breath of air and smell those flowers and remember to laugh
at it all, with love for myself, you and everyone else. I have very
much serious work to do in all those areas, but that is what the
truth is beginning to shape up to me. The truth is a search, lifelong
at that, and I feel you are very observant when you said each of us
has our own truth. The hard part for me is to learn to live with
the fact not everyone else has "My Truth". Rats, I hate that part.
Thanks for your articulate post and look forward to hearing from you
and the others searchers.

lv battman

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A look into the devil's workshop

by spectromize in

now we all know for you who have attended meetings at the kingdom hall and heard speakers from the platform give us bible verses and telling us that the ruler of this world is the devil of which i firmly believe due to the fact that this world is completely warped.. .

doesn't it strike you funny to see that satan who makes the rules for his system can't keep them and tries to manipulate rules and regulations always in his favor and that of his seed.. .

#1 example- did you know that according to the bible that satan's agents keep transforming themselves into agents of light.

battman

Check out home.online.no/~jansh/wteng/godorg1.htm for an excellent
presentation on the subject "Does God use an Organization? It seems
many of the comments and relies center around the concept of this
that having a well thought out discussion would be helpfull.

Keep on searching and asking

battman

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Jehovah's day will come as a thief in the night

by spectromize in

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it's true!

many of you here who scoff at the battle of armaggedon being a reality are in for a big surprise.

it will be a fear inspiring day in which there will only be one side that will survive.

battman

Hi Spec,
I was shocked to read in the WT Insight book under the heading
of "evil" to discover its source. Even quotes a scrpitual proof.
My closest JW assoc, a 10 yr Bethelite was totally unaware also.

battman

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R U disfellowshipped 2

by DFshipped in

hi people.

i am a df'd person hoping to return to the fold.

i am not critical of the decision to df me nor of the loving organization i believe to be in the palm of jesus hand.. i would find it most encouraging to hear from others who feel the same and would like to "hold hands" on the way back.. this board is hailed as a supportive respectful place so if you do not fit this description may i ask you to move on and not hinder the participants here in following their god given right to pursue their goal.

battman

After tons of research maybe you could help me with a troubling question about the "organization"? When Isreal was split into
two kingdoms, even warring with each other, which one represented
the "organization"? Follow up question: who represented the
organization between 70AD and 1874AD, which according to CT Russell
marked the return/presence of Christ? see Studies in the Scriptures
by CT Russell.

Thanks.

battman

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R U disfellowshipped 2

by DFshipped in

hi people.

i am a df'd person hoping to return to the fold.

i am not critical of the decision to df me nor of the loving organization i believe to be in the palm of jesus hand.. i would find it most encouraging to hear from others who feel the same and would like to "hold hands" on the way back.. this board is hailed as a supportive respectful place so if you do not fit this description may i ask you to move on and not hinder the participants here in following their god given right to pursue their goal.

battman

Warning!! for grown-ups only!! hard work ahead!!

What is "The" truth, what is "The Truth" and what is truth? As the
"lite" keeps getting brighter then we/they/whomever must be getting
closer to the truth. If that is so then we do not have the complete truth yet. If it is not complete then how can it be the truth.

Forbes ASAP magazine Big Issue V of September 2, 2000 was devoted to
the topic "What is True? This was very challenging to read and then
comprehend for me. Several articles I had to read more than once to
to even begin to understand "Truth". From a scientic method based in
logic and inductive reasoning it is quite possible to separate the
chaff from fact.

Also by searching on the web for "rhetoric fallacy faq" there is a
wealth of information on time tested logical methods to try to
determine what is true and what is a "sales pitch". You will have to
think but isn't that what we were designed to do? Enjoy the adventure

battman