Big Boys Don't Cry........

by ISP 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • ISP
    ISP

    Big Boys Don't Cry! Well that's what we are told anyway! And I guess this convention is widespread in many cultures. It appears there is an unwritten rule that men should show less emotion than women - and most certainly should not cry. This is the role model of so many screen heroes like Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood who have played characters that generally show little in emotion.

    But you may recall that after the Gulf War General Norman Schwartzkopf appeared on a US talk show and after a number of personal questions…..he broke down in tears. The interviewer was surprised but the General basically said there were appropriate occasions when he would cry in front of his men. There were times when he would not, but when he did cry he was a father figure and it was appropriate for him to act as an emotional focus point for his men.

    I think in that way he was able to deal with sad realities with complete acceptance of the loss sustained without minimizing the situation to the great appreciation of his men who knew he was like them, with the same feelings and the same values. Not something you often find with those in power and detached from the rank and file.

    From a scientific view, tears are made up of water, oils and other proteins. Analysis of these substances has shown that some are associated with long term unhappiness when they build up in the body. Guess what? When you cry these substances are removed from the body these substances that make you unhappy. So a good cry may make you feel better…….even if you are a big boy!

    ISP

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    "Jesus wept."

    Shortest verse in the whole Bible.

    Farkel

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THIS......Too late!

    It used to be the pervasive view in many cultures that males should not cry. Doing so was considered a sign of weakness.

    That was one extreme.

    Now, in most cultures, the politically correct view is that there is something wrong with men if they're not blubbering all over the place. A man who makes an effort not to weep is considered to be a throwback or emotionally maladjusted.

    That's another extreme.

    I prefer not to cry in public. I can't remember the last time I did. I resent it when someone implies that there is something wrong with me because of this. For me, not crying in public preserves my self esteem and builds my confidence in my own self control.

    At the same time, I do not judge a man who does cry over extreme circumstances. His ideas of self esteem do not have to be the same as mine, and if they differ they are not inferior.

    The point is, everyone's different. Men should not all have to conform to a current politically correct idea about weeping.

    And anyone who says something like "well Jesus wept"....Jesus wore a friggin' robe all day too!

    Expatstiffbrit.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : And anyone who says something like "well Jesus wept"....Jesus wore a friggin' robe all day too!

    The Bible said it. I just pointed it out.

    Farkel

  • LDH
    LDH

    Curious, isn't it ISP, that women 'say' they want a man to cry and then God forbid if he does.

    He'll be labeled a wimp, or a fish-wife. LOL

    Good subject.

  • rabotnik
    rabotnik

    OK, Expatbrit -- I appreciate your contribution but sense a contradiction here. The freedom to cry or not to cry is up to the individual -- but Jesus' weeping should be seen in reference to his clothing? What should he have been wearing? Capri pants?

    At the same time, I do not judge a man who does cry over extreme circumstances. His
    ideas of self esteem do not have to be the same as mine, and if they differ they are not
    inferior.... Men should not all have to conform to a current politically correct idea about weeping.

    And anyone who says something like "well Jesus wept"....Jesus wore a friggin' robe all
    day too!

    The best,
    nr

  • waiting
    waiting

    I think it's whatever society we live in, including our family norms.

    The same with tempers, kissing, slapping on the back, or a polite-don't touch me-hello. The same situation is found on how people view physical violence in a home/society. What's beating a kid to me might not be the same as to you. Even with laws in place, still a lot of room for movement.

    It's when the different families/societies interact that the problems surface, imho. Ever see how uncomfortable a polite standoffish person seems when having to say hello with a kiss&hugger? Particularily of the same sex?

    It might be that some peoples are just more expressive. But when we dictate to others how they should/should not show emotions - who's to say who's right?

    And Farkel, I agree with you - "Jesus wept." Very short and expressive.

    waiting

  • conflicted
    conflicted

    I dont cry - ever. The last time I cried was 9 years ago when my grandmother passed away. The last time before that was when I was 13 and my parents got divorced, and any times I may have cried before that was childhood.

    I dont think I'm maladjusted, I'm not insensitive, I just dont show emotion in that way. It seems to me that crying is almost a subconcious thing, people dont try to cry as far as I know - it just happens - and it doesn't happen to me. I feel sorrow when it's appropriate, sadness too - but the need to cry deosn't occur.

    I don't think I'm alone in this, nor is it only a male thing, it's just another one of those things that makes us individuals.

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    Rabotnik:

    Jesus could wear whatever he liked. That's the point. Just because Jesus wept doesn't mean every other male has to. Just because Jesus wore a robe, doesn't mean every other male has to.

    In having this discussion with others, they've used the "but Jesus wept" line to imply that men should weep.

    Put it another way: Jesus is said to have walked over the Sea of Galilee, too, but I didn't feel the need to imitate him when I visited Israel.

    Expatbrit

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    Hey Farkel - you use'n the King James Version now? ("Jesus wept" in Matthew something or rather)

    SOB .. unclebruce, off to try and find the shortest verse in the Authorised New World Translation.

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