Twitch - I'm actually coming round to the idea that science can definitively disprove any and all gods one attribute at a time. I was thinking this through for my former belief. Every single thing I thought was a proof of Mormon jesus had a much better scientific solution that either made the bearded one superfluous to the equation or at worst the mistake. The key to applying science is the definition that the believer believes in. We give believers way too much latitude to lazily point to the sky and say that a god is out there. Once we focus on what believers actually are saying it rapidly is revealed to be either utterly wrong ( global flood - all animals in tiny wooden boat ), not logical ( followed through to conclusion it fails ) , not even wrong ( like life = energy, love = Christ) or unknown ( the believer doesn't really know what they believe in when they are asked to clarify it.) Where a believer can actually make a concrete statement ( rare) then we can see if science has a better explanation for that. Not been disappointed yet.
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239The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?
by dark angle injust want to share this amazing debate!
caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.
as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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S & G does that incorrect logic appeal to you because it gives your belief somewhere to hide from scientific enquiry?
Science is a means to test hypothetical assumptions about an observed phenomenon. It works by proposing a physical law and then defining what would refute that law ( for laymen we call them tests .) The strength of the hypothetical law rests upon the strength of the tests applied to it. The more rigorous and thorough the tests the more likely that the law is correct or a good approximation of what is happening. Where there are observed deviations to the law the tests are expanded and the law refined. As evidence accumulates laws are expanded, replaced or confirmed. Science is not a subject of belief it is shown by empirical evidence to be the best and most effective manner of explaining the universe and all that we observe. It is self proving. There may well be better ways to examine the universe but so far no one has proven them however, it is absolutely certain that it is not faith which over tens of thousands of years has not produced a single useful testable law but has been proven utterly wrong on every single assumption it has made with regards to health, physics, biology, maths, cosmology, geology, gravity, social science, genetics, conception, knowledge, truth and on the ability of animals to converse.
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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Qcmbr
Wtf was that drivel?
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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..actually I was just pointing out that , based purely on promises, one god seems to have succeeded.
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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Jehovah said he'd conquer sin, Thor said he'd conquer frost giants....
Just sayin.
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The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?
by dark angle injust want to share this amazing debate!
caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.
as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.
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So the only clear statement you made is that life = energy = god.
The sum of all observed energy in the universe is estimated to be zero so god is not.
Life is plainly not simply energy. An atom carries a certain energy state and is not biologically alive or conscious. Or do you think the rocks are thinking? Where you would cheapen life to simply a state of vibration I would present to you that life, as explored by science, is a self organising information set utilising energy gradients to accomplish resource sorting to allow imperfect replication.
All your other statements are inadequate. Since we are discussing your own personal god you are not allowed to suggest that you don't know the answer. I am not interested in using science to refute all possible creators I'm using it to disprove yours. You cannot hide your creator behind someone else's.
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Ace Windows 7 Tip
by Qcmbr intype 'psr' in search field and run the psr.exe.
it pops up the problem steps recorder.
click start and everything you do will get recorded with screen shots and instructions.
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Did anyone try this...?
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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Qcmbr
There are no scientific reasons to believe in magic beings
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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Believers must reject science in order to believe. Science is the study of observed phenomenon. Religion is the generation of imagined events.
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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We do ourselves great harm when we accept the idea that magic is the answer to a problem and not scientifically discoverable natural laws. Magic thinking stops rational thought and corrodes unfettered research. When faith rules we get the dark ages. Faith is the exact opposite of rational skeptical enquiry. While faith may once have staffed hospitals it is science that made them more than places to go and die.