Posts by Qcmbr

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First potential relationship since leaving WT, and I've been well screwed over.

by ronweasley in

hi all i'm new to this, i joined because from what i can see this is the best ex jw forum out there.. anyway i'm male, 20, live in uk and left the wtbts after 2 years of being a student.. there was this girl called natalya and she has really took me on one hell of a ride.

she was very helpful in my exit, because she often had debates with me and tried again and again to help me see sense.

anyway we dated before i found the truth and to be honest, i never really stopped having these feelings for her even though we fell out a few times.

Qcmbr

Need to also say - the sentiments are from a post (reddit I love you) I read a while back. I can't claim them.

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First potential relationship since leaving WT, and I've been well screwed over.

by ronweasley in

hi all i'm new to this, i joined because from what i can see this is the best ex jw forum out there.. anyway i'm male, 20, live in uk and left the wtbts after 2 years of being a student.. there was this girl called natalya and she has really took me on one hell of a ride.

she was very helpful in my exit, because she often had debates with me and tried again and again to help me see sense.

anyway we dated before i found the truth and to be honest, i never really stopped having these feelings for her even though we fell out a few times.

Qcmbr

Most people don't realise that all the pain, anguish and anger(?) that the body provides upon exiting a relationship is natures way of making you utterly awesome. Right now you have the critical energy to blast away neurons and feelings that your body has invested a long time building. Many people misunderstand this energy and use it to damage themselves as some kind of punishment (some even start to feel worthless, even suicidal - a bit like a nuclear technician sitting on a pile of energy and trying to make it blow up instead of using it to do epic sh!t). Nature is gifting you massive opportunity, rage power and the ability to build a new you based upon learnt lessons. Embrace it, get up, go to the gym, pump iron till it frakkin hurts and you feel awesome, go jogging, get onto a healthy eating diet, chuck out all the sentimental claptrap and yell to the stars how grateful you are that you didn't spend a wasted lifetime in a cult and you have a lifetime of experiences and relationships ahead of you. Stop analysising, stop wasting energy (it won't be there forever), make some positive lifestyle changes, be grateful , pumped and determined. Man up, smile, kick yourself in the butt and grab now.

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David Cameron Confronts Cristina Fernandez (UK v Argentina)

by cofty in

cameron briefly confronted the argentine president cristina fernandez de kirchner when they met at the g20 meeting in mexico today.. the prime minister told ms fernandez she should "respect the views" of islanders who are taking part in a referendum on the issue of control.

- read more at bbc.... i never thought i would offer praise of a tory leader but hey credit where its due..

Qcmbr

Agreed - Cameron has been impressive over this issue.

3 Christs of Ypsilanti - has anyone ever read this book?

by Qcmbr in

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/the_three_christs_of_ypsilanti.

"the three christs of ypsilanti is a psychiatric case study by rokeach, a detailing of his experiment with a trio of schizophrenic patients at ypsilanti state hospital in ypsilanti, michigan.

the three menwho each harbored the delusional belief that he was jesus christ returnedwere forced to live with each other in a mental hospital to see if their beliefs could be challenged enough to effect a break-through in at least one of them.".

Qcmbr

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/the_three_christs_of_ypsilanti

" The Three Christs of Ypsilanti is a psychiatric case study by Rokeach, a detailing of his experiment with a trio of schizophrenic patients at Ypsilanti State Hospital in Ypsilanti, Michigan. The three men—who each harbored the delusional belief that he was Jesus Christ returned—were forced to live with each other in a mental hospital to see if their beliefs could be challenged enough to effect a break-through in at least one of them."

This looks a fascinating book- would be interested if anyone has read this and what they think.

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CAN EVERYONE DO ME A FAVOUR?

by Mary in

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friends

i haven't been on here much lately, but i read barb anderson's report on the court case in california the other day.

nice to see the borg finally getting what they deserve.. anyway, the daily mail has done a story about it and at the end you can give your comments.

i think there are a number of 'faithful witlesses' on there who are giving the "thumbs down" to any negative comments about the borg, including mine.

Qcmbr

Done

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What is with abusive atheists?

by Fernando in

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friends

sorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.

i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.

i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.

Qcmbr

Tec - choosing to be a slave is to be a victim. If you don't understand this I'm stuck since this isn't a puzzling deep idea.

I hate how a requirement of being religious is to have to say things that are plainly wrong and try and make a sophisticated clever comment to wiggle around it. This is what comes of arguing over myths.

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What is with abusive atheists?

by Fernando in

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friends

sorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.

i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.

i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.

Qcmbr

s+f - there is a very different idea behind 'together we are stronger' or 'we are more than the sum of our individual contribution' than that proposed by xian faith (a notional god is not stronger because he is working with you nor is his ultimateness enhanced by your individual contribution.) The xian god requires that you need saving, he requires that you be imperfect, he requires that this life be only a prelude to a punish/reward ->worship scenario that you are a bit part player in ( the role of devil(advocate), saviour, judge, jury and recorder are already taken.) The xian god requires there to be sheep and goats, wheat and chaff, that which is burnt and that which is saved and so on. Xianity cannot countenance the idea that god is superfluous to mankinds needs, it requires a dependency relationship where we utterly depend upon god even for our very breath. I'm not certain which parts of this are different from abused victim and tyrannical abuser relationships. Aquiese to xian god and you may still get a raw deal and die horribly but at least you get eternity to be thankful and worshipful for your merciful god who allowed you to suffer such pain, rebel against xian god and you may still get a raw deal and die horribly but now you will be eternally punished as well. What's not to like?

p.s. I am venting against faith - it is a terrible concept that has allowed mankind to stutter from one wasted life to another believing in whatever woo the current priest decided would best support his personal views. We've tried hugging trees, sacrificing virgins, offering milk to idols, throwing money in wells, burning witches, praying, giving money to priests, chopping off nob ends, putting hankies on women's heads, eating wafers and drinking wine, babbling on a floor, checking our electrical resistence, imbibing collodial silver, wearing crosses, blowing ourselves up, flicking water around, reading fairytales as fact, shaving our heads, wearing amulets, burning candles, going to war, enslaving heathens, torturing sinners, wearing cinctures, chanting mantras, tantric sex, putting pins in dollies, munching endangered species, flagelation and so on. At some point the experiment ceases and we note down the result. Evidence for God = 0.

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What is with abusive atheists?

by Fernando in

jw
friends

sorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.

i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.

i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.

Qcmbr

soft + gentle. Yes I do find believers are victims for the following reasons:

1 - When they self identify as such (e.g. 'slave' ). Many believers are taught to see themselves as subserviant ,and in need of something additional to make them whole (they are an imperfect person ), they are taught that certain natural thoughts and actions are sin and certain moral actions are wrong. They are taught im many cases a spiritual caste system where the woman is under the headship of a male and the family is under the influence of the clergy / guru / especially pious. They are taught to give of their resources in order to show obedience or love. They are bound to revere books or ideas of questionable worth or that are downright immoral and to subject their natural morality to an alien meme normally from an ancient superstitious culture.

2 - When they are given a worldview that is opposed to self criticism and the cost of 'doubt' questions are social censure, eternal punishment, damnation or some other punishment. A victim is in some way disempowered and the loss of freedom to think and question is one of faith / religion / beliefs primay goals and or side effects. The worldview is normally enforced upon a child or presented to the vulnerable (there are a few who come to religion with no unfulfilled needs, without coercion, love bombing or childhood inculcation and while I've never met such a person almost every single believer is convinced they would have always been <insert personal variety and degree of faith> regardless of culture or circumstance.)

3 - Believers have to sacrifice all things at the altar of faith (a recent poster confirmed that she is being forced to sacrifice real physical paradigms to accomodate her spiritual belief.) A worldview that will not co-exist with reality and requires a re-assessment of factual, objective evidence that is contrary to the observed phenomenon and does not contain the foundational truth that IT must change according to the facts is ultimately nothing more than a mental cage.

4 - Faith has a fundamental aversion to verifiable evidence. It makes a virtue from only seeking information from sources that support it. Since belief in magic is inherantly wrong all evidence detracts from faith ( thus thunder is no longer taken as proof of Norse gods nor the sun as evidence of an Egyptian sky deity - more recently christianity is adapting to having creation quashed by evolutionary theory .) Faith is thus antithetical to rational, reasoned, ammoral knowledge aquisition. It has been at the forefront of bigotry, stupidity , rigid ceremonial performance and factual buffoonery. Adherants aquiese to leasing their brains to demonstrably incorrect and fantastical mythology.

:D

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Its on the Daily Mail Website!!!!!

by cantleave in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160605/candance-conti-molested-jehovahs-witnesses-member-age-nine-wins-28milion.html.

Qcmbr

Forget the Daily Mail - this made Reddit!!!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/v70n7/ratheism_this_is_a_bigger_deal_than_memes_for_the/

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Gen.3;24 places the cherubim, and A flaming sword to guard, why?

by jam in

ok , why was it necessary for god to places a arm cherubim.

to guard the way to the tree of life?

adam and eve had.

Qcmbr

I never understood where Eden went. Other than the flood there is no mention of Eden ever being destroyed or removed. Was the angel stuck there until the flood destroyed Eden or did that perfect place with an eternal tree naturally die off? Did the fruit of the tree ever propagate into a certain variety of fruit? Btw I recently found that if you plant an apple tree from apple pips you probably won't get an apple tree of the same type. To make an orchard of one variety you have to graft. Maybe the original tree of life was an apple tree and god made all apple trees produce different offspring to ensure that the tree of life didn't grow again later.