Posts by Qcmbr

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The craziest thing I have ever read...stunned!

by Qcmbr in

not certain whether to be horrified or laugh - .

why marriage and family commitment sucks - a response to the traditional christian by rock jagar.

preamble.

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Source:

Matthew 19:29

King James Version (KJV)

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life

1 Corinthians 7:27-28

American Standard Version (ASV)

27 Art thou bound unto a wife? Seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? Seek not a wife.

28 But shouldest thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Yet such shall have tribulation in the flesh: and I would spare you.

Matthew 10:35-38

New International Version (NIV)

35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law —
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ [a]

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Matthew 10:39

New International Version (NIV)

39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it

Matthew 19:10-12

King James Version (KJV)

10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Luke 9:57-62

New International Version (NIV)

The Cost of Following Jesus

57 As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.”

58 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

59 He said to another man, “Follow me.”

But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”

60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

61 Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.”

62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”

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The craziest thing I have ever read...stunned!

by Qcmbr in

not certain whether to be horrified or laugh - .

why marriage and family commitment sucks - a response to the traditional christian by rock jagar.

preamble.

Qcmbr

Not certain whether to be horrified or laugh -

Why Marriage and Family Commitment Sucks - A Response to The Traditional Christian by Rock Jagar

preamble

I would like to make a stand for the individual with devotion to clan rather than to kin or spouse.

Much of society is designed to unite families and privilege the family unit. This is a great problem for the advancement of society and of the authentic self. I would like to offer a way of life that will return many times the benefits that christian traditionalists currently support. If you are brave enough to break your culturally taught ties to your siblings, your parents, your offspring , your wife and critically your physical possessions you will be empowered incredibly. These ties hold us back from becoming our true authentic selves as we sacrifice 'I' in relationships with material and people who may not be positive in our personal life - truly we do not choose our family but we choose to remain associated with them. If you truly want personal power then consider the sentiment from a modern film (Heat)

"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."

This is power. This is freedom. Only the free can ever truly accomplish their potential. Once you understand this principle, once you start to live your life by it you will never be able to turn back and consider yourself a free man ever again.

Life gifts you one thing - now. Society steals your now and teaches you to sacrifice your now for a better tomorrow. Other people will take all of your nows if you let them. The more you dedicate yourself to another the more they will take and the less they will do for themselves. Even when they die society will judge how much you have given and if you are found to be the main giver you will be asked for more, you will not stop giving. Giving is a black hole when it comes to relationships. You can never fill that hole.

Take marriage. Once youve got married that's it. You will never be the same. You can never express yourself intimately with anyone else without censure and judgement - even if your current relationship isn't very good! My advice is to be strong and not succumb to society's demands. Do not get married if you want to be free! Divorce is permitted but you'll always be weaker for it, society will never really forgive you. Once you have married you are better to suffer it but you will forever be weaker for it.

Are you confused, angry, unsure? These freeing ideas are the exact opposite of many things you have learnt. This is a war of ideas if you will between your taught self and this new approach to thinking that I am presenting. This should bring a great deal of conflict between close family members as you try to live by it. Those bonds are hard to break! People will hate you for it, especially those who are close to you. People tend to think they love others more than they love knowledge. If you are truly trapped by love for family or spouse you won't be able to benefit from this. Love itself must be sacrificed.

This is the last part of the puzzle. We love ourselves too much. We are bound to our old , romantic, christianised self, we are scared to let go. If we can walk away from all that we are, if we give up our former identity then and only then will be we be truly unstoppable.

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Kendrick in good standing in Oakley Congregation ... wow !

by RubaDub in

can anyone imagine the what the elders in his current congregation must be going through ?!.

in their ideal world, they would have df'd him once they knew there would be a trial so they could play the card "he's not one of jw's.

" but since it occurred in a different congregation and he was already punished, there is little they can currently do.. wow, imagine the buzz in the kh when the info started leaking out.

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Its hard to condemn paedophilia in the bible when God apparently uses it to create Jesus

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First potential relationship since leaving WT, and I've been well screwed over.

by ronweasley in

hi all i'm new to this, i joined because from what i can see this is the best ex jw forum out there.. anyway i'm male, 20, live in uk and left the wtbts after 2 years of being a student.. there was this girl called natalya and she has really took me on one hell of a ride.

she was very helpful in my exit, because she often had debates with me and tried again and again to help me see sense.

anyway we dated before i found the truth and to be honest, i never really stopped having these feelings for her even though we fell out a few times.

Qcmbr

Need to also say - the sentiments are from a post (reddit I love you) I read a while back. I can't claim them.

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First potential relationship since leaving WT, and I've been well screwed over.

by ronweasley in

hi all i'm new to this, i joined because from what i can see this is the best ex jw forum out there.. anyway i'm male, 20, live in uk and left the wtbts after 2 years of being a student.. there was this girl called natalya and she has really took me on one hell of a ride.

she was very helpful in my exit, because she often had debates with me and tried again and again to help me see sense.

anyway we dated before i found the truth and to be honest, i never really stopped having these feelings for her even though we fell out a few times.

Qcmbr

Most people don't realise that all the pain, anguish and anger(?) that the body provides upon exiting a relationship is natures way of making you utterly awesome. Right now you have the critical energy to blast away neurons and feelings that your body has invested a long time building. Many people misunderstand this energy and use it to damage themselves as some kind of punishment (some even start to feel worthless, even suicidal - a bit like a nuclear technician sitting on a pile of energy and trying to make it blow up instead of using it to do epic sh!t). Nature is gifting you massive opportunity, rage power and the ability to build a new you based upon learnt lessons. Embrace it, get up, go to the gym, pump iron till it frakkin hurts and you feel awesome, go jogging, get onto a healthy eating diet, chuck out all the sentimental claptrap and yell to the stars how grateful you are that you didn't spend a wasted lifetime in a cult and you have a lifetime of experiences and relationships ahead of you. Stop analysising, stop wasting energy (it won't be there forever), make some positive lifestyle changes, be grateful , pumped and determined. Man up, smile, kick yourself in the butt and grab now.

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David Cameron Confronts Cristina Fernandez (UK v Argentina)

by cofty in

cameron briefly confronted the argentine president cristina fernandez de kirchner when they met at the g20 meeting in mexico today.. the prime minister told ms fernandez she should "respect the views" of islanders who are taking part in a referendum on the issue of control.

- read more at bbc.... i never thought i would offer praise of a tory leader but hey credit where its due..

Qcmbr

Agreed - Cameron has been impressive over this issue.

3 Christs of Ypsilanti - has anyone ever read this book?

by Qcmbr in

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/the_three_christs_of_ypsilanti.

"the three christs of ypsilanti is a psychiatric case study by rokeach, a detailing of his experiment with a trio of schizophrenic patients at ypsilanti state hospital in ypsilanti, michigan.

the three menwho each harbored the delusional belief that he was jesus christ returnedwere forced to live with each other in a mental hospital to see if their beliefs could be challenged enough to effect a break-through in at least one of them.".

Qcmbr

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/the_three_christs_of_ypsilanti

" The Three Christs of Ypsilanti is a psychiatric case study by Rokeach, a detailing of his experiment with a trio of schizophrenic patients at Ypsilanti State Hospital in Ypsilanti, Michigan. The three men—who each harbored the delusional belief that he was Jesus Christ returned—were forced to live with each other in a mental hospital to see if their beliefs could be challenged enough to effect a break-through in at least one of them."

This looks a fascinating book- would be interested if anyone has read this and what they think.

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CAN EVERYONE DO ME A FAVOUR?

by Mary in

jw
friends

i haven't been on here much lately, but i read barb anderson's report on the court case in california the other day.

nice to see the borg finally getting what they deserve.. anyway, the daily mail has done a story about it and at the end you can give your comments.

i think there are a number of 'faithful witlesses' on there who are giving the "thumbs down" to any negative comments about the borg, including mine.

Qcmbr

Done

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What is with abusive atheists?

by Fernando in

jw
friends

sorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.

i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.

i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.

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Tec - choosing to be a slave is to be a victim. If you don't understand this I'm stuck since this isn't a puzzling deep idea.

I hate how a requirement of being religious is to have to say things that are plainly wrong and try and make a sophisticated clever comment to wiggle around it. This is what comes of arguing over myths.

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What is with abusive atheists?

by Fernando in

jw
friends

sorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.

i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.

i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.

Qcmbr

s+f - there is a very different idea behind 'together we are stronger' or 'we are more than the sum of our individual contribution' than that proposed by xian faith (a notional god is not stronger because he is working with you nor is his ultimateness enhanced by your individual contribution.) The xian god requires that you need saving, he requires that you be imperfect, he requires that this life be only a prelude to a punish/reward ->worship scenario that you are a bit part player in ( the role of devil(advocate), saviour, judge, jury and recorder are already taken.) The xian god requires there to be sheep and goats, wheat and chaff, that which is burnt and that which is saved and so on. Xianity cannot countenance the idea that god is superfluous to mankinds needs, it requires a dependency relationship where we utterly depend upon god even for our very breath. I'm not certain which parts of this are different from abused victim and tyrannical abuser relationships. Aquiese to xian god and you may still get a raw deal and die horribly but at least you get eternity to be thankful and worshipful for your merciful god who allowed you to suffer such pain, rebel against xian god and you may still get a raw deal and die horribly but now you will be eternally punished as well. What's not to like?

p.s. I am venting against faith - it is a terrible concept that has allowed mankind to stutter from one wasted life to another believing in whatever woo the current priest decided would best support his personal views. We've tried hugging trees, sacrificing virgins, offering milk to idols, throwing money in wells, burning witches, praying, giving money to priests, chopping off nob ends, putting hankies on women's heads, eating wafers and drinking wine, babbling on a floor, checking our electrical resistence, imbibing collodial silver, wearing crosses, blowing ourselves up, flicking water around, reading fairytales as fact, shaving our heads, wearing amulets, burning candles, going to war, enslaving heathens, torturing sinners, wearing cinctures, chanting mantras, tantric sex, putting pins in dollies, munching endangered species, flagelation and so on. At some point the experiment ceases and we note down the result. Evidence for God = 0.