I suspect that there are other people in the world called Jeffrey R Holland.
Posts by Qcmbr
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3Does anyone know or have you heard of Jeffry R. Holland?
by haboob48 ini am a new person here, none of you may not even respond, but because you all are soooooooo smart, and have done so much investigating and research i thought i would loose sleep and ask some questions!
when i say you are smart i really mean that!
i was just trying to investigate some things that didnt make sense to me about a missing sibling i have that was a jw, been missing for almost 20 years!
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Atheism's occult roots
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Qcmbr
History is replete with atheists. Atheism is not an organised group nor is it a belief. No-one is maintaining a simultaneous belief in all gods and the rejection of gods is the default position of all people and the acceptance of one god/set of gods is cultural and egotistic. Moving to confront and reject a peer/culture inculcated god takes many forms. Some genuinely make the transition to full atheism , rejecting their god, many cannot face their ego and recreate their god in their image either joining a new, better fit, faith or abandoning all structure and form and freelancing defining their god as simply their own understanding of love or truth or light depending on what behaviour they wish to justify.
There may well be some atheists who arrived there via occult paths but its too simplistic and absurd to describe a pretend atheist movement and tie it to a few people. At the risk of offending the sensitive posters I am happy to pour scorn on a ridiculous notion.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Qcmbr
No you may not hide behind pretended innocence. Your thread title stands for all to read.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Qcmbr
Reasonable is a two way street. Reasonable doesn't start threads that carry a barely concealed universal prejudice. Reasonable changes in the face of contrary and sustained information and does not stonewall nor does it whinge. Reasonable is rooted in reason not in superstition.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Qcmbr
I get that some believers expect scorn as a fundamental part of their belief and revel in it when they find it and poke and prod when they don't get enough of it.
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How is creationism DISPROVED?
by sabastious init is disproven.
but let's start another thread, because this one is being yanked off track again.
creationism/evolution always deserves its own thread.
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Qcmbr
Sab - what would it mean to you to be wrong and do you know what would invalidate your theories?
The strength of your argument rests upon knowing what would disprove it.
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How is creationism DISPROVED?
by sabastious init is disproven.
but let's start another thread, because this one is being yanked off track again.
creationism/evolution always deserves its own thread.
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Qcmbr
Sab - you may wish to change explosion to expansion. Explosion is an incorrect term for the big bang.
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How is creationism DISPROVED?
by sabastious init is disproven.
but let's start another thread, because this one is being yanked off track again.
creationism/evolution always deserves its own thread.
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Qcmbr
Final thought - because the creationist god has no characteristics that are testable or discoverable (and if anyone claims that such a being does then they must explain what is discoverable and testable) whereas the observed universe is testable and discoverable. All other designed artefacts without exception are a reflection of the designer in some way.
Also you haven't addressed the tool issue. All design requires tools (even a physical body is a tool) , no design can occur merely through force of will.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Qcmbr
To be fair NT Jesus was pretty scornful, a name caller, judgemental, violent and abusive when the mood took him.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Qcmbr
Steady Char your hypocrisy is slipping through. There is delicious irony in seeing the OP be scornful of atheists.
