Then why create something disharmonious? If the initial state is perfect harmony and then you purposefully create a universe which is less than you ( Satan was prior to the Fall) are you not intentionally diminishing yourself and rejecting your own perfection. Was this triune being more or less after the atonement?
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36What argument is there for a single God?
by Qcmbr inmormon culture is replete with the concept of multiple gods and requires it to work.
other than a few biblical references does anyone have any compelling arguments for why any god, deist , creationist or full on personal god would - of necessity- be alone.
the argument seems somewhat weaker if the gender is applied as well.
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What argument is there for a single God?
by Qcmbr inmormon culture is replete with the concept of multiple gods and requires it to work.
other than a few biblical references does anyone have any compelling arguments for why any god, deist , creationist or full on personal god would - of necessity- be alone.
the argument seems somewhat weaker if the gender is applied as well.
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..but God is still single in the sense he/she/it has no one to share anything with intellectually, no one can ever understand god unless they are also a god? Like the last man on earth surrounded by worms and cockroaches. Why would this sole being exist and why create such inferior creatures to relate to?
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What argument is there for a single God?
by Qcmbr inmormon culture is replete with the concept of multiple gods and requires it to work.
other than a few biblical references does anyone have any compelling arguments for why any god, deist , creationist or full on personal god would - of necessity- be alone.
the argument seems somewhat weaker if the gender is applied as well.
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Mormon culture is replete with the concept of multiple gods and requires it to work. Other than a few biblical references does anyone have any compelling arguments for why any god, deist , creationist or full on personal god would - of necessity- be alone. The argument seems somewhat weaker if the gender is applied as well.
If this singleton being does not procreate why would he create creatures who do? Surely a being in the image of the singleton god would not have children. Does the garden of Eden represent the ultimate failed condom? Instead of a couple of friends to hang out with for eternity god suddenly accrues several billion thinking beings to deal with.
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Fallacy of Baptism "in Holy Spirit"!
by The Searcher inthe following comment taken from the march 1st 2013 watchtower, is nothing new.
to witnesses the world over it's a basic teaching which even the kids understand; "humans with heavenly prospects have been baptized in water and with holy spirit and are thus spirit-begotten disciples of jesus.
" (john 3:3, 5) (both at the same time??????).
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....and I dont have any answers as to the symbolism. baptism seems to have meant so many different thngs. it certainly doesnt seem like John was performing baptism as understood by xians. seems closer to the Jewish temple cleansing rite.
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Fallacy of Baptism "in Holy Spirit"!
by The Searcher inthe following comment taken from the march 1st 2013 watchtower, is nothing new.
to witnesses the world over it's a basic teaching which even the kids understand; "humans with heavenly prospects have been baptized in water and with holy spirit and are thus spirit-begotten disciples of jesus.
" (john 3:3, 5) (both at the same time??????).
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oh let it go you old fishwife
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Fallacy of Baptism "in Holy Spirit"!
by The Searcher inthe following comment taken from the march 1st 2013 watchtower, is nothing new.
to witnesses the world over it's a basic teaching which even the kids understand; "humans with heavenly prospects have been baptized in water and with holy spirit and are thus spirit-begotten disciples of jesus.
" (john 3:3, 5) (both at the same time??????).
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Designs - nice wit :)
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Fallacy of Baptism "in Holy Spirit"!
by The Searcher inthe following comment taken from the march 1st 2013 watchtower, is nothing new.
to witnesses the world over it's a basic teaching which even the kids understand; "humans with heavenly prospects have been baptized in water and with holy spirit and are thus spirit-begotten disciples of jesus.
" (john 3:3, 5) (both at the same time??????).
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How about looking at this symbolicaly
What did immersion in water represent?
When was it first used in Hebrew thought?
Why was John baptising at all?
If water baptism was for sin why did Jesus do it?
What rituals did the Hebrews follow to pay for sin already?
Which parts of the baptism bywater and baptism by fire were new and which parts old?
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I Think My Marriage Is Over...
by cognac ini know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .
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Do you want this marriage to work? Imagine the scenario with no kids. Do you still want to be with him? Are you good for each other? Do you make each other happy? Even with all the niggles or annoyances does your relationship work? Are you sacrificing who you both want to be for the sake of the marriage? After you've made up your mind on these issues and come to either a painful or happy conclusion then you could consider these two scenarios:
1 - Marriage still worth it. Start fighting. Contact the other woman and warn her off. Tell her you have access to her communications. *Find out who she is ( is she married) etc. get leverage and get ready to fight dirty if she won't sod off. Start that gym routine , cut back on eating crap, throw away your naff clothes and buy new nice ones each payday ( one at a time), stop watching tv, start cooking adventurous food, organise friends to come over, plan nights out to places you've not been ( crock pot picnics, star gazing, local college sports events and so on) , smarten up the house one item a day ( paint a door frame, put up a framed pic, dejunk a cupboard) and if you can - and haven't got one - get an interesting job either by volunteering or applying with cvs for all sorts of stuff you'd never considered*. Do this and IF your marriage is salvageable ( ie he is just fooling around for adrenaline kicks ) you will have got yourself into a good place to talk about it. In short make yourself the better you ,for your own sake ,and the side effect will be a better two.
2 - Marriage failed a while ago and is not satisfying. Plan the painful withdrawal, financial advice sessions, consult legal experts, proceed from there. Work out what you want and what you can live without before the emotions get too intense. Where to live, how to budget, what child support to get, what debts to trade / offload and so on. If the marriage is over you no longer need to sacrifice yourself for him. Go back to the starred section in 1 and get started. Being a single parent is a personal war with amazing prizes for success but high costs whether you decide to win or surrender. How will you cope mentally? Are you a fighter ? Do you avoid stressful situations and does the thought of doing this make you feel queasy and powerless? If so plan a long game and don't rush to divorce ( ie get a support structure of friends, a job, a little bit of money in place). If however, you never go down for the full count of ten then you may wish to go faster.
Whichever you choose know that the kids will survive and as long as you don't self destruct ( either within a soul sucking sham of a marriage or in some singleton emotionally spent victim state) then they will thrive. Document everything you can , be official about it, send it to a private online Dropbox account or to a private email account. Scans, copies, receipts everything. If your marriage is sound and saved burn / erase in a few years otherwise save for the financial side of splitting up. Kids just need to know its not their fault and that you aren't going to leave them. Alcoholism, drug taking, over eating, excessive tv watching are all forms of escapism that can 'leave' family members behind - if you are at risk of any of this put a plan together to handle it.
If it does break up, don't limit access , don't bad mouth, don't hide all the tears and be truthful without point scoring with the kids. Accept his right to determine his own life and ultimately live with someone else. Do this and you'll go a long way to accepting your own right to choose.
Best of luck in this shitty situation.
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Genesis 3:16 - As to ALL Women... or One Woman? A Favor, Please...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
so, as some of you might know (or discern)... or not... i am not your usual submissive/in subjection kind of girl.
given what some apparently expect of women... as wives, daughters, female friends... and in general... i was curious about the greater fulfillment of genesis 3:16, because many are of the belief that it applies to all women as to all men... (including those that aren't their husbands)... and not the just one being addressed at the time (eve as to adham).. personally, other than paul's position on women teaching in public (which was borne of what was occurring in the region at the time, due to by-then jewish culture and roman occupation)... and peter's admonishment for wives to submit themselves to their own husbands... that i know of nothing that validates a woman being in subjection to anyone other than her own husband, and even then such "subjection" is not puerile or unrestrained (so as to just be a given), but borne of love and respect for her husband (in which case it should not be difficult)... who is obligated to honor her, as well.
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We are of necessity a hierarchical society. There are times when people must lead according to their capabilities or the legal framework of society. The majority of history has required men to be physically stronger for combat and hunting purposes and women to be physically stronger for health and child rearing purposes. This naturally led to a situation where alpha males led and more often than not women were lower down the power scale. You can see this in nature with such simple examples as afforded by great apes. If society was forced back into some uncivilised state due to catastrophe then men who could fight would naturally be sought out and people would follow. Rarely but not insignificantly when a true women warrior emerges ( an extreme outlier) then she assumes the dominant role in the absence of a superior competitor.
Society has progressed far enough to no longer rely upon brute strength to enforce will. Where religion , amongst other historical institutions, has been a problem is in the social drag they produce which makes changing attitudes more difficult. Women's rise to a position of equality was available to society centuries earlier than it happened because of these slow evolving institutions of which the bible is a chief culprit ( but also law, education and political structure are significant players.) The largest player however, and the most effective agent of social change is simply economics. Women's long needed rise to equality is only possible insomuch as they have access to their own economic determinence. Thus wealthy women in history are much more equal to the men around them.
The bible and other religious texts were written by a different age and a time when women were disempowered. In that age power was wielded by the sword and people had so little factual information that they were impressed by fairytales and magic. That they are still used as the basis of social interaction or as handbooks about 'truth' and reality is a scourge on society and many people still enslave themselves to imaginary beings, more often than not, mythical males which is a tragedy IMO.
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Who did jesus look like, his mom or his dad?
by Honeybucket inif jesus was immaculate, what would his dna and alleles look like?
would he be the spitting image of mary?.
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He was the spit of his father.
