Posts by Qcmbr

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Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No

by Witness 007 in

im amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!

and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.

and all..

Qcmbr

Of course they would. I'm fornicating now just reading it.

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Mormon Apologist is suffering faith crisis - his comments are so true

by Qcmbr in

this is taken from another site.

kerry shirts has long been a staunch mormon apologist.

it seems he no longer is:.

I think that truth itself is the issue. Faith based belief is so desperate to validate itself as true that it abuses what truth is. You often see it from posters making a religious assertion when they claim something as the 'TRUTH' - trying to state a rigid absolute knowledge marker - when what they are actually saying is 'this is what I perceive to be true'. I can understand someone wearing blue glasses declaring that to them the world is blue because it really is for them. Declaring that the world's perceived blueness is the absolute 'TRUTH' and that anyone, especially those no longer wearing blue glasses, to be suffering faulty vision if they don't see it is the fundamental weakness. I don't doubt that some of our more consistent voice hearers or messiahs really do see/hear/perceive reality as described. Heck some may indeed swear blind they are being visited by yak haired ,leprous gargoyles with special messages for an ancient tribe represented oddly enough here on this forum and to them they may well see, hear and converse with such a being. It's not true in an objective sense but subjectively may well be.

What we lack in our schooling and culture is proper training in skepticism, especially self skepticism and the ability to weight evidences derived from perception. If we start with an assumption based in myth or magic and then practice that assumption for long enough we start to only see or give credence to evidence that matches our desired view. Scienctific enquiry can start in a similar way (someone passionately believes they have an explanation for some phenomenon) but it has inbuilt checks like constructing tests, recording results, peer review, analytical procedures and so forth.

Sadly it takes a crisis ( accumulated over many years of niggles or a full blown slap in the face) to finally admit that we can sometimes simply be mistaken. Loud assertions by vocal preachers are no substitute for methodical scientific scrutiny.

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Mormon Apologist is suffering faith crisis - his comments are so true

by Qcmbr in

this is taken from another site.

kerry shirts has long been a staunch mormon apologist.

it seems he no longer is:.

Qcmbr

This is taken from another site. Kerry Shirts has long been a staunch Mormon apologist. It seems he no longer is:

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/59925-richard-bushmans-description-of-faith-crisis/page__st__20

Do you know how I came about finding all that material for my Mormonism Researched site? It was easier than falling off a log Glenn. I already had the answer. All I did was find as much evidence that arrived at the answer as i could find. I did it all exactly BACKWARDS Glenn. That is how apologetics work. The answer is the given, not what is being tried to discover and find. When you already begin with the answer it is easy to amass papers with gajillions of sources. One simply takes what suits one to show one's answer is correct. It is pure phony though. But as apologists we are only allowed one conclusion. It MUST support Mormonism. So I went overboard to try and show it does. This is why I personally now distrust apologetic materials, my own included.

Apologetics does it all backwards. I made some seriously impressive looking papers through the years, but when it dawned on me that all I was doing was picking and choosing and selective use of quotes to arrive at my answer I realized it was futile. You can find, pick and choose quotes from Albert Einstein to make it seem like he really believed in the God of the Bible, but it's futile, because in context he actually didn't believe that. So many of the sources we apologists have used are selections only, and the rest is left to the side because it doesn't jive with the answer (and testimony) we want it to arrive at so we do a huge snow job and use more and more until in the end it looks MIGHTY IMPRESSIVE! But it's all eyewash. I didn't use or read or see any other side. I worked with blinders on and found just exactly what I wanted to come to the conclusion that I wanted it to.

My study on mysticism demonstrated that to me a few months later after I had published it. My conclusion in that paper is not even the most likely one, but hey, I wanted it to encourage faith, to show that religion has the ultimate truth, yada, yada, yada. Re-reading that gave me a serious jolt, as a lot of the other stuff I read. The Egyptological materials is seriously more of the same. I am not repudiating it, I am saying my information is at best designed as being one sided and hence not accurate. I go through a trillion sources, take a sentence here, a thought there, interweave them all together into something that none of the sources were thinking of, but hey! It supported Mormonism, so I put it together. It's all fluff and phony man. I can go back through those exact same sources I used, and select parts and pieces I left out originally and come up with an entirely different paper showing how vastly wrong it all is!

Was the spirit guiding me? Oh you have no idea. I KNEW God was guiding me because all this would strengthen testimonies, and many others told me so as well. I had the zeal you see, but not the knowledge. Zeal and excitement and energy into doing apologetics is not God guiding the work. The ONLY correction to over misplaced zeal is MORE knowledge. Nibley has it exactly right. And the humility to change one's attitude, which precious few of us can or do. So now what? Why and how would God guide me to do something so silly? Of course, the real answer is i was deceiving myself and God has nothing to do with it. The interpretation that the warming in the bosom is God is just shadow and silly. It isn't God. I get the same feeling when I read science, atheism, philosophy, etc. It is the excitement of learning, of getting more knowledge that was happening.

God doesn't need any apologetics. Think about it for a sec. God needs help? Crimany in 2 minutes God could get it all straightened out. So the church teaches well God allows us to be involved in the process and its good for us. In this regard I suspect it could be. After all, knowing how I put all that stuff together and knowing how phony it is now, will certainly help me with anything else I do in life. But to research with the answer already given and pretend like everything we are bringing together to bolster our answer? That's a canard pure and simple. But this is how we are trained to think in religion. Science doesn't do it that way. Besides science is self-correcting with others coming in and verifying or refuting evidence. Conclusions are never hard and fast without a lot of corroboration. Religion never has done this. It always flies back to faith in light of the most absurd things said!

So, I am working through some things is all. Intellect is the only sure way to reason and think through things. It's the greatest gift we have been given, and to distrust it is to distrust the God who gave it to us. SHAME on us for distrusing our brains, our minds, and thinking.

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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?

by EntirelyPossible in

thoughts?

a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.

they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.

Qcmbr

There is indeed. The world is a savage and beautiful place for the free.

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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?

by EntirelyPossible in

thoughts?

a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.

they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.

Qcmbr

AG does garner a lot of attention and good for her, I for one think it adds a lot of liveliness to the site when we have someone willing to go out on a limb and say something extreme. I think provocative opinions and ideas are the lifeblood of this forum and keep people coming back. I thoroughly enjoy Lars, AG, you Tec, Sab, all of the 'flies' ( which reminds me, where's NC , I do miss her) , the people who use funny pics or ideas , monkeys and so on. It's why I come back because ultimately this site has helped me move past an awful personal crisis and now it has a different place in my affections. I'm hopefully robust, abrupt , rude, sentimental ,occasionally awesome and above all British and I like to keep things spicy. I also am fiercely excited about the benefits of free thinking, scientific discovery and education. I am against slavery of the mind and body in all it's forms and so I fight the ideas of those who seek to self identify as slaves and to influence others to be slaves. I find it a noble cause and a bloody good laugh as well. I find the search for gods intellectually stimulating but no more, I stopped tilting at windmills when I became an atheist.

We'd all be a lot more boring without each other IMO.

I dare any god to reveal something useful in the next few posts. Like where will the next natural disaster be?

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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?

by EntirelyPossible in

thoughts?

a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.

they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.

Qcmbr

The stories are childish that the 'gods' tell but it is adults who repeat those stories. We cannot absolve ourselves of the need to move beyond believing and promoting evidence lite myth and we are well served to embrace evidence based reality. That we still have grown people honestly believing in talking animals, invisible winged creatures, secrets whispered to them on behalf of the masses, hidden codes and secrets in dusty old scriptures and supernatural events occurring all around all the time is a tragedy.

A serious, adult god would impart info clearly, universally and without threat, storytelling or confusion. No one would be privileged and such a being would tailor the message so you didn't need to know its name, or to listen a certain way or have your heart in a certain attitude. Such an intelligence would get on with the job in hand. No such god has made themselves known. Tsunamis kill thousands, asteroids sail close to the earth, kids are abused, women are raped, illness brings early death, the circle of natural life continues unabated by anything divine or technologically superior to mankind.

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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?

by EntirelyPossible in

thoughts?

a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.

they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.

Qcmbr

It's all in the detail. My god failed basic detail, info and science. I've asked for years now, along with other skeptics for anyone to provide evidence of a god who meets these standards and no one has managed. We have had a few messiahs, fun stories about dusty bones, odd proclamations to religious groups, redefinitions of the concepts of truth, light, seeing, hearing, love and peace , arguments of the angels on a pinhead variety but absolutely nothing,zip, nada that rose above the childish silliness of bible god's mustard seeds and entreaties to have faith. My god provided zero useful information so I killed him. I've been a divine serial killer ever since. :D

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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?

by EntirelyPossible in

thoughts?

a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.

they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.

Qcmbr

Ditto Tec

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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?

by EntirelyPossible in

thoughts?

a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.

they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.

Qcmbr

Your personal god AG sounds no warning, gives no advice, has no plan, is incapable of helping and has no power. Nothing you say will alter that fundamental truth. My god failed the information test and so does yours.

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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?

by EntirelyPossible in

thoughts?

a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.

they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.

Qcmbr

I hold my 'god' to a higher standard than believers hold theirs to when it comes to the information and truth. I used to give mine a pass on so many things and argue that I was only being given parable quality information as part of a divine plan for me ( if god needed me fairly ignorant and uneducated regarding the future so be it ) . Atheism for me equates to raising my information standard to that of basic human science and my god fails utterly. I have yet to find anyone else's god able to rise above parable bs yet either. The 'gods' of all cultures always tell us childish boo stories about death and end time destruction and are forever warning us of doom which never comes and then the culture ends and those gods disappear. Xianity has had its day thankfully and is dying, Jehovah and his rather sad tales of Armageddon will pass into the night to take his place with Ra , Zeus and Voldemort.

A decent , caring god would tell you and prepare to help unlike bible god who seems to enjoy causing death via various grisly means from bears to global genocidal floods.