Posts by Qcmbr

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FINALLY! Can you prove God exists? If you can I won't ask again!

by punkofnice in

i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.

he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.

finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?

Qcmbr

Qc - the problem with black and white faith statements like yours is that you need to be able to back them up with facts. Here are some to help.

Fact 1: Evolution is nothing to do with abiogenesis

Fact 2: Evolution - as a broad theory - is proven absolutely. The multitude of various mechanisms at work within evolution are now being explored by scientific methods and we have lots to learn.

Fact 3: Taking the bible as an example of faith based knowledge it cannot be used in any way to perform scientific enquiry because it bases all causitive action in supernatural events that cannot be tested. In addition to talking gibberish about such made up historical events like the global flood it also contains easily disproven concepts such as the firmament.

Fact 4: In the absence of any proof you have failed to provide an adequate justification for your imagined being and must stand alongside other unprovable whimsical fantacists like the Mormons, Muslims and Hellenists. Unless you can justify why your mind and ergo your imagination is superior to the majority of mankind (the ones who have believed in other gods than yours) then yours is as valid as theirs.

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Question for the married guys

by TweetieBird in

jw
friends

is it possible to be friends with a woman, text her, call her, etc and not be physically attracted to her?.

Qcmbr

There is almost always an element of attraction between sexes , that's nature. It's possible to be very friendly with non spouse members of the opposite sex and have no actual feelings however, it is highly unlikely that both sides of the equation are equally disinterested in anything other than platonic friendship. How do you think affairs start? Very, very dangerous but also possibly innocent. My wife kiboshed an online chat relationship of mine with an ex uni friend which although innocent on my part was worrying to my wife. So now it's just the odd public Facebook post. Safe and sound, no one gets hurt.

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Scientologit and mormon apostates

by zound in

does anyone find it odd that it seems there's less of a vocal apostate movement for scientology and mormons.

i'm getting this from google - i can't seem to find any majour forums like this one, or websites that are regularly updated exposing doctrines etc.. there is stuff out there, but from my search at least it doesn't seem to be as much as jw's.. strange considering mormons have 13 mill (?).

scientologists 'claim' 8 mill.. .

Qcmbr

http://forum.newordermormon.org/

http://exmormon.org/phorum/list.php?2

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FINALLY! Can you prove God exists? If you can I won't ask again!

by punkofnice in

i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.

he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.

finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?

Qcmbr

http://hinduism.about.com/b/2012/09/24/the-ganesha-milk-miracle.htm

If Jesus is proven by wine then why not Ganesh by milk

Hindus have a supernatural bridge. beat that christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam's_Bridge

They found the 12000 year old city of Krishna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQZFS9Hij0M

And did you know that Jesus was a Hindu and they have his actual grave?

http://bharatnirman.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/scientific-proof-of-jesus-christ-becoming-hindu-and-his-death-in-kashmir/

..and they have science on their side - they argue for the big bang!

http://www.godrealized.com/essays/5-Proofs-God-exists.html

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Numbers don't lie :The End of JESUS...

by raymond frantz in

(1john2:22,23)who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that jesus is the christ?

this is the antichrist, the one that denies the father and the son.

23 everyone that denies the son does not have the father either.

Qcmbr

Mormons believe Michael is Adam and Noah is Gabriel.

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FINALLY! Can you prove God exists? If you can I won't ask again!

by punkofnice in

i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.

he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.

finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?

Qcmbr

Sam - this thread is not a out how smart men are. Since we are now entering an era of genetic engineering I suspect we will be able to create all sorts of life forms within a few years. You must know that this argument holds no water. If God was a designer why did he do such a rubbish job of the human body? From a design pov it's atrocious. Unless god is a drunk we can only explain the absolute lack of design as adaptation of features to perform functions rather than features designed to perform functions. One very simple example is the collocation of the food and breathing pipe work leading to pointless choking deaths.

Tec - can you doubt that your experiences are objectively real, can you conceive of the possibility that you are fooled 100%? I suspect not, as you've alluded to many times you would not doubt your Christ. In fact imo you've moved into a religious phase where you have used mantra like phrases that don't actually mean anything ( Christ is light/love etc.) but do effectively stop a thought process. I will wager that your Christ will absolutely refuse to reveal a cure for cancer while millions die from it BUT will happily allow us, humanity, to inch towards medical solutions for these very illnesses Christ psssively ignor es. What I'm saying is that this internal dialogue with an imagined being is easy to understand ( I used to do it, Cofty did and anyone with a good imagination and a belief set regularly achieves whether it be with a saint, a deceased ancestor or some divine being.) The secret is to revealing the truth of the source ( our own mind) is in the quality of the information 'revealed', only if you can give quantifiable, testable info not available to your mind do you even have a hope of suggesting you aren't the source. We know over our long discussions here you have never been able to do so though your 'baby teeth contain the soul' revelation/idea was very inventive.

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FINALLY! Can you prove God exists? If you can I won't ask again!

by punkofnice in

i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.

he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.

finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?

Qcmbr

Believers do not tend to struggle in understanding why a culturally dead god is fake and a figment of imagination (Zeus, Ra etc.)
Believers do not tend to struggle in understanding why culturally alive but different gods are fake and a figment of the imagination (Jehovah v Allah v Xenu etc.)
Believers know exactly what proves their god (anecdotes - including scriptures, personal psychological experiences, cherry picked facts)
Believers know roughly why similar style proofs of others' gods are not valid (anecdotes are unreliable, deception, evil, wrong or out of context facts)
Believers know exactly who is in the group and who is 'other' and have names, words and a language to describe this.
Believers can spot rudeness , hypocrisy, close-minded thinking, stonewalling and lack of logical thinking in 'others'.
Believers know that their belief and lifestyle recipe will get results (someday) and everyone can get the exact same results. Failed results are caused by simply not trying had enough, lack of committment , unresolved sin or some such solvable human failing.

Believers are unable to conceptualise what would invalidate or identify their god as fake UNTIL they allow themselves to doubt. This is the real reason why the number 1 universal teaching of religion is not love, it is faith, belief without question.

If you wish to prove or disprove god exists then you have to have something to test. If you have nothing to test the question doesn't even make sense.

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Do Animals Have Souls?

by Cold Steel in

i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.

by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).

where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?

Qcmbr

lost made an interesting but worrying statement regarding there being no harm in people believing what they want. While not directly relevant to souls I think it would be worth exploring further on another thread perhaps but as a quick response I think it is critical what someone believes. In a social world where we depend on each other our behvaiour matters and beliefs can manifest in behaviour. One erroneous belief can have horrendous consequences. JW blood ban for example.

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Do Animals Have Souls?

by Cold Steel in

i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.

by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).

where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?

Qcmbr

Evil is the consequence of choice. This life is a test to see who can use that choice and choose good over evil. No good having a god (God's gift to the faithful) who is evil. So this life weeds out those who are unable to avoid temptation and gives them the best reward their behaviour allows. Only a few get to become Gods.

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Do Animals Have Souls?

by Cold Steel in

i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.

by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).

where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?

Qcmbr

Yep Cold, that was me Lisa was responding to. Personally , as a keen frequentor of Reddit, I get cat picture overload plus I can't stand the little furry bird killers . That's just me. This is my favourite cat clip. Obviously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awf45u6zrP0

This cat has presumably just personally answered the soul question.