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  Mormon Church Founder had 33 wives

  by designs in

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  we know russell, rutherford franz and knorr wer kooky but joseph smith takes the cake.. the salt lake tribune of all newspapers has run an article on the lds founder's 33 wives, most of whom were teenagers.. http://www.sltrib.com/news/173364-155/plural-smith-joseph-marriage-lds-says.

  would you stay an lds after knowing this, how would you rationalize staying with this knowledge.. .

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  Joseph married a 14 year old when he was 37. Game, set and match. The unsinkable Lds.org is going down holed under the waterline.
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  Mormon Church Founder had 33 wives

  by designs in

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  we know russell, rutherford franz and knorr wer kooky but joseph smith takes the cake.. the salt lake tribune of all newspapers has run an article on the lds founder's 33 wives, most of whom were teenagers.. http://www.sltrib.com/news/173364-155/plural-smith-joseph-marriage-lds-says.

  would you stay an lds after knowing this, how would you rationalize staying with this knowledge.. .

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  Members are haemorrhaging. My old ward is down to 65 active members from a post -split high of 130(10 years ago) odd (105 when I left 5 years or so ago). One member visited this Sunday and we number crunched (he's almost out as well.)
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  Can a religion claim: “Only we have the truth”?

  by Kalos in

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  truth is self-evident (things like: the whole is greater than its part ....).. truth is always right (things like: caring for the accident victim helplessly bleeding on the road ....).. claiming: only we have the truth is like claiming: only my university is useful.

  history shows that many school/college drop-outs have made significant contributions to the society like many those who completed their education!

  and on the contrary, many school/college drop-outs have made significant damage to the society like some of those who completed their education!

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  If a religion doesnt claim this then they have no internal integrity.
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  Atheists and Anger...

  by new hope and happiness in

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  are you an angry atheist?.

  personally i wish i could say anger is to strong a word, but from my point of view :-.

  a)i am angry that religion teaches children to hate " worldly people" at least that was my experience ad a j.w.

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  I am many things and depending on circumstance each of those personality bits and pieces come to the fore. When I'm discussing religion , depending on context, I either reveal my atheist side ('I do not believe in god') or my anti-theist side ('I do not accept concept <x> because...'). Sometimes the topic under discussion / situation lends itself to various emotions and since I have left mormonism I no longer feel a salesman's duty to suppress emotional states for the religion's sake, in fact , as part of my new found authentic identify I accept natural states and try to use them rather than suppress them. When I feel anger (or disgust etc.) I can normally trace it to an indignation with a moral scenario (injustice, bullying etc..) and I now accept that anger can be 'righteous' and dare I say it - hate can also have a place. I am happy to own my hatred of concepts that once I had to incorporate into my mormon identity (patriarchalism and sometime disregard for life for example.)

  tl:dr Sometimes I am an angry anti-theist; sometimes I am a joyful atheist. For everything there is a season.
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  My Letter Exchange as a Former Mormon With Ray Franz

  by zacktac in

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  Tips hat.
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  Should the constitution be amended to make being and adherent of Islam a crime?

  by confusedandalone in

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  since isis is killing people in the middle east and apparently they are invaded the rest of the earth with their hateful beliefs should we as americans take the steps necessary to amend the constitution to say something along the lines of .

  congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion except in regards to islam, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof except in regards to islam; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble except in regards to islam, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.. .

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  So we are left with you either trolling (in which case well played) or monologuing an inconsistent vent against <person|country|concept> (in which case my advice is to chill out , have your say with a bit of tact and then enjoy people sharing their views.)
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  Pinker on Terrorism .... Self-Defeating

  by jgnat in

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  http://chronicle.com/article/era-in-ideas-terrorism/128490/.

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  "even when they are not rooted out by states, terrorist groups carry the seeds of their own destruction.

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  Aren't ISIS a little bit more than a small terrosist group? I would suggest that ISIS has vast amounts of money, equipment and a worldwide recruiting space that includes plenty of disenfranchised or unemployed or radical young men.
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  Should the constitution be amended to make being and adherent of Islam a crime?

  by confusedandalone in

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  since isis is killing people in the middle east and apparently they are invaded the rest of the earth with their hateful beliefs should we as americans take the steps necessary to amend the constitution to say something along the lines of .

  congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion except in regards to islam, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof except in regards to islam; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble except in regards to islam, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.. .

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  confused - are you hypocritical ?
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  Should the constitution be amended to make being and adherent of Islam a crime?

  by confusedandalone in

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  since isis is killing people in the middle east and apparently they are invaded the rest of the earth with their hateful beliefs should we as americans take the steps necessary to amend the constitution to say something along the lines of .

  congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion except in regards to islam, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof except in regards to islam; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble except in regards to islam, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.. .

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  How about the US rent some offshore territory to a select group of imams and committed muslims from Sharia ruled countries (a territory ideally with lots of loose rocks) allowing them to operate sharia law as they see fit and then sends all American muslims on a religious trip where one thing happens. They must express to the select group whether and why they would prefer to live in the US or a Sharia ruled country. Those expressing a sharia desire can, courtesy of western largesse be flown to an appropriate country for free. Everyone else...
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  IF you believe in evolution, theistic or not.....

  by DATA-DOG in

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  are you more amazed by nature documentaries now, or were they better when "god did it"??.

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  I watch videos on the inner workings of cells and I am gobsmacked - I can totally see why some find it impossible to believe in anything other than design - but I just sit in total wonder now.