..of course we could all store food for a year and three weeks worth of water and then we'd be in a much better position should such a disaster strike us.
No-one thinks they are vunerable until they get caught out. It would be a good idea for the governments of the world to start encouraging the gradual stockpiling of food within homes.
Would I steal food. Of course. Death and disease are the reward of morals in an amoral situation. Would I steal a TV? Nope.
The world is very vunerable due to our economies and inter dependence, all it would take is a world illness or economic crash and we'd all be looking for handouts.
Right now though I guess we should be looking out for all those homeless. I've got a feeling the US is going to do themselves proud once again. I've seen a lot of giving so far.
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by CaptainSchmideo inokay, let's say you find yourself in the big easy.
no lights, no phone, no motorcar, not a single luxury.. you have kids, you have yourself.
everyone is hungry, and thirsty, and drinking the water will kill you (even walking around in it isn't real safe.).
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Very Bad Apologetics For Honest Seekers
by AlanF ingod had no beginning, so god did not need to be made.. .
if our local space-time universe is uncreated, then of course it is meaningless to ask who created it.
of course, everything that had a beginning had a beginner.
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In any great battle it is incumbent upon the good general to find the best spot to fight upon, somewhere that favours his/her army. When it comes to these scientific arguements against God it seems that the following happens:
1/ Scientific aethiest/agnostic general finds high dry ground overlooking boggy marshland. (Chooses some excellent arguments that are known to cause problems for god botherers)
2/ Brings forward a 'champion' arguement to drag the suicidal religious fanatics to yet another bloodbath. (Normally some high quality and thought provoking article aimed squarly at pushing a materialistic universe)
3/ When the poor unfortunates venture out they are taunted to dissuade any real attempt at negotiation and understanding, after all its meant to be a cull. (Constant bare bottoms to the bible bashers and united aethiest high fives all round)
4/ All out slaughter of the individuals beginning and not ending with their characters, belief system and debating skills.
And every time I enter one of these dicussions where do I find myself ? Piddling about up to my knees looking for answers in a peat bog without a snorkel as Alan, Tetrapod, Terry etc.. gleefully lob in their best shots. There is maybe a sort of sick glory and fascination in the huddle of believers turning up each time for a fair trouncing but that maybe is the problem..
The anti-god/religion grand coalition is united in its desire to hit religion hard. The religious are a disunited church that spends half its time disagreeing vehemently with itself anyway and would probably gladly join in on the dry ground if only one specific religion was being pummelled. We believers are as united as soggy biscuits.
The strong ground of the Darwin Alliance is asking questions that believers cannot answer, dressed up enticingly as though they should be able to:
1/ Where does God come from?
2/ Why would God create dinosaurs?
3/ Who made God?
4/ Why is the Bible so obviously unscientific?
5/ Why doesn't God prove himself rather than swanning off into the cosmos leaving confusion?
..creating conflict when non is actually warranted
6/ If evolution then God isn't.
7/ In no miracle no God.
8/ If Panda's have funny finger joints no God.
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So - if your still with me well done - its quite a ramble - what is wrong then? - why are religious people still religious when pasted time and time again? AlanF lobs a 'Because you're all idiots' although maybe that was Terry since starting a sentence with 'because' is bad grammar (OK guys I'm just kidding around:) But seriously what is the problem here..?
The war cannot be fought forever on the ground chosen by the Irreligious Concord. Religion doesn't claim its roots in science though it must not be in discord with the truth. If there is a God He/She must think, have intelligence and be able to choose to act in someway (on those criteria not too far from us in a grander way..?) There must be a higher purpose to life if there is a God (if there isn't any God then there isn't any higher purpose - I think that logic holds together..) If there is a higher purpose then all science and logic must be part of that purpose. If there is a higher purpose there must be more than we understand now ergo this intellectual war is fought by us children who do not know what we are fighting for.
Now nowhere in the bible does it say we have to believe because of science nor does it say that dinosaurs didn't live nor does it say in anything but in the most literal reading that the earth isn't fabulously old. Now disbelieving in God because of science is as wrong as believing in God despite science - science was never ever the yardstick of religion. If Jesus died on the Cross and critically was raised again it doesn't make one jot of difference whether permian shales have transitional forms in them or not. Heck it doesn't even matter if evolution is totally correct and God happens to be a being who evolved billions of years before us and is just trying to show us a better way. What's critical is what does pure religion, unencumbered by dogma teach us? Is there any use in teaching charity, hope, love, understanding and forgiveness with teh potential for life beyond this one?
I think the best battle field for believers and non-believers is the one filled with respect , acknowledgment, no bitterness, genuine interest in another viewpoint. I like a good intellectual tussle that leaves me thinking in new ways about our world and my place in it. I won't try and convert you* if you don't call me stupid.
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Evolution - Have you ever thought about...?
by Qcmbr inwhy out of all the species that exist only humans seem to be radically different in every shape and way?
its almost as if humans have stopped 'evolving' and have started to diversify in looks rather than in additional mutations.
all haddock look pretty much the same as each other, daisies are pretty much just daisies etc.. in fact it seems that the greatest variety within a species seems to be when artificial means are used (domestic cats, dogs etc..) .
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logansrun - you rude dink.
It isn't an anti evolution/anything question at all - its just an interesting thought that I wanted to let everyone have a look at - I thought our evolutionary buffs would have some good answers - hence the bias on the question. I haven't seen you post that sort of comment at the end of every single question thread that could potentially be 'solved' by one person. I thought this was a message board where we all talked with each other about interesting viewpoints, ideas and questions. -
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Do any Bible passages/stories make you emotional or cry
by Cygnus inabsalom, a complete asshole, met an untimely death, and even though he caused untold trouble to his father, david still wept bitterly over his son, 'absalom,oh my son absalom!
" that one still gets to me.. and at the end of one of rush's more emotional songs, distant early warning (1984), geddy calls out "absalom!
absalom!
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Good Samaritan ,
Gethsemane,
Cruxifiction,
66 ΒΆ From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
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New Orleans - Hope everyone is OK - How are you going to ..
by Qcmbr inget the water out?
if that area is so far below sea level and its flooded with that much water how do you get rid of it?
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get the water out? If that area is so far below sea level and its flooded with that much water how do you get rid of it?
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Greatest Storm in History Coming Today
by Amazing1914 inhurricane katrina is heading for new orleans, la, and will hit it by this afternoon.
it is the largest hurricane known in history.
the entire storm range covers more than 50% of the gulf of mexico.
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a jedi by bedtime
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Greatest Storm in History Coming Today
by Amazing1914 inhurricane katrina is heading for new orleans, la, and will hit it by this afternoon.
it is the largest hurricane known in history.
the entire storm range covers more than 50% of the gulf of mexico.
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Oh and before I pop of to bed Matt 22:29 wasn't a conscious dig at anyone - it just happened to be the first scripture that pooped out of my holy search engine.
Dang I'm a fool, now you now my secret - no one will think I'm a scriptural smart ass anymore. -
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Greatest Storm in History Coming Today
by Amazing1914 inhurricane katrina is heading for new orleans, la, and will hit it by this afternoon.
it is the largest hurricane known in history.
the entire storm range covers more than 50% of the gulf of mexico.
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pooped - hehe
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Greatest Storm in History Coming Today
by Amazing1914 inhurricane katrina is heading for new orleans, la, and will hit it by this afternoon.
it is the largest hurricane known in history.
the entire storm range covers more than 50% of the gulf of mexico.
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I just want to be..
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Greatest Storm in History Coming Today
by Amazing1914 inhurricane katrina is heading for new orleans, la, and will hit it by this afternoon.
it is the largest hurricane known in history.
the entire storm range covers more than 50% of the gulf of mexico.
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I never expect anyone to accept anything lds (hence I always try and label it as such) - I just put it in because that's something unique I can throw in to colour the picture. I'd quote the Qu'ran or War and Peace but I'm not very well versed in either :)
Maybe we are just disagreeing on what omnipotent means - its always possible to find some 'get out clause' - but it usually relies upon a verbal paradox (can't build two mountains without a valley, God cannot be evil while being good, it can't be both light and dark at the same time etc..)