Brigham Young introduced most of the racist behaviour to Mormonism.
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Are Mormons "racist" towards black people?
by booker-t ini really do not know much about the mormon religion so i don't want to say things that are not true.
but mormons just give me a feeling of that they are "phoney" i just feel that in my bones.
i don't want to stereotype people but i live in the same apartment building with 5 young mormon missionaries.
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SAD news about OOMPA......
by redredrose inour friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
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I am sad to see him go and that it took his passing to get to know him better but heartened by how much closer he has made us all.
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Are Mormons "racist" towards black people?
by booker-t ini really do not know much about the mormon religion so i don't want to say things that are not true.
but mormons just give me a feeling of that they are "phoney" i just feel that in my bones.
i don't want to stereotype people but i live in the same apartment building with 5 young mormon missionaries.
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Mormons always allowed black people to be part of the religion but they did not allow them to have the Priesthood. These are seperate issues. Currently women are allowed to be part of the religion but they are also not allowed to have the Priesthood.
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Are Mormons "racist" towards black people?
by booker-t ini really do not know much about the mormon religion so i don't want to say things that are not true.
but mormons just give me a feeling of that they are "phoney" i just feel that in my bones.
i don't want to stereotype people but i live in the same apartment building with 5 young mormon missionaries.
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Mormon teaching is racist - all xian teaching is racist - Mormon anti-coloured teaching is a product of xian 19 century racism. Mormon weakness was simply not changing the rules as quickly as other more racially progressive religions. All xian teaching continues to be racist as long as it cites the bible and the concept of God's people seperate from those not of the body of Christ. All religions aim to cause as many divisions and points of difference as possible.
The entire OT privileges one 'race' (Israel) above all others, the NT carries on the debate ( Jews v Gentiles) and fudges an answer allowing gentiles to be adopted into the house of Israel. The bible talks of the curse of Cain which many early christian thinkers associated with a darkening of the skin. This awful interpretation was part of the justification used by xian slave owners. Many protestant churches refused to ordain coloured people until the 60s and in places in Southern US some Catholic churches also refused to ordain colured men.
While the fight in most western religions has been won regarding race (and the Mormons have disavowed their teachings as well going so far as to alter their scriptures) the discrimination against women and gender preference is still ongoing. If you wish to condemn Mormons and certain sects look to their view on gender roles and sexual behaviour - I would suggest.
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Shropshire Star news editor examines issues behind death of JW Emma Gough
by AndersonsInfo inshropshire starapril 9, 2008. why would loving faith allow death?.
features news editor neil thomas examines the issues behind the tragic death of new mum emma gough.. words written by heaven knows who and attributed to moses have brought about the apparently needless death of a young shropshire mother, and blighted many other lives, more than 3,000 years later.. far-fetched, possibly.
yet, how else are we to interpret the death of emma gough?.
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Thanks - I'm seeing if I can find the court outcome as well - I want to find out if they did find against the hospital. This is very useful though because I can at least correct her lazy assertion that no one in the hospital knew how to run the life saving equipment (potentially noone knew how to run the blood recycling kit).
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Shropshire Star news editor examines issues behind death of JW Emma Gough
by AndersonsInfo inshropshire starapril 9, 2008. why would loving faith allow death?.
features news editor neil thomas examines the issues behind the tragic death of new mum emma gough.. words written by heaven knows who and attributed to moses have brought about the apparently needless death of a young shropshire mother, and blighted many other lives, more than 3,000 years later.. far-fetched, possibly.
yet, how else are we to interpret the death of emma gough?.
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Does anyone have the case details for this - JWs at my door claimed that the case found in favour of Gough family and Shrewsbury hospital lost after admitting' no-one knew how to operate the life saving equipment'! Would like to verify court findings and outcome. Thanks.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Numbers - magic rituals and curses
13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousycome over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah [c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord . 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord , he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse [d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Divination via the Urim and Thummim.
In ancient Israelite religion and culture, Urim and Thummim ( Hebrew : ?????? ??????? , Standard ha?Urim v?haTummim Tiberian ha?Ûrîm w?hatTummîm ) is a phrase from the Hebrew Scriptures or Torah associated with the hoshen ( High Priest's breastplate), divination in general, and cleromancy in particular. Most scholars suspect that the phrase refers to specific objects involved in the divination. [1]
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery - despite multiple people responding to you seem to only want to hear the words:
'The Watchtower is right.'
You've had plenty of information as to why most people responding consider that the terms magic and miracles can be used interchangeably. Through it all you seem content to ignore the effort people are making with you and to actually simply encourage those who have got sick of your condescension and are simply giving you back what you like to dish out.
Whether you are aware or not you are acting as a troll.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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I think you could make a case that magic , in pre-industraialised cultures, was a human response to the perceived divine miracles. So a person , powerless in the face of a sea god raising storms could chant a magic mantra and clasp a magic amulet as a way to appease or mitigate the storm. As such you could see that much of the Israelite rituals was magical (sacrificial animals, sprinkling of blood, cutting off penile tissue, ark of the Covenant, staff of Aaron, Urim and Thummim etc.) ; human responses in the face of an implacable god working his will regardless of human will.
One wonders, given the awe that a modern day magician engenders, how powerful someone who could do basic illusionist magic would become. Jesus never seems to rise above the level of illusionist and con artists in the New Testament. This is not to denigrate any real charachter or their positive teachings but to show that the records that were made focused upon the sort of things that would impress a person from cultures back then. If I had record the life of a 'miracle' worker today I'd probably focus less on turning water to wine and more on philosophical teachings, I'd want to be a lot more analytical as well about such miracles as the loaves and the fishes, what happened, how did I know it wasn't sleight of hand and a bunch of well paid assistants.
I think - going back to the definition of magic - you could aslo suggest that a division between magic and miracle was that magic was unauthorised while miracles where authorised but that potentially both were supposed to be powered by the realm of <insert term such as 'spirits'>. The Priests of Egypt were not of the Priesthood line (supposedly descended from Ham the cursed son of Noah who discovered the secrets of Noah in an unathorised way) whereas Moses was given direct authority by God.