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  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

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  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  myelaine

  dear Tammy...

  good morning!...nice weather out there hey?...:)

  you said:

  "I understand that the Israelites would have understood a blood sacrifice/legal requirement. But I understand the desire to carry the wrongdoing of another person, out of love for them, knowing that they are unable, but wanting them to be free because of that love... and I understand making amends by doing what the other person should have done/should be doing." I understand this too... this shows love of neighbour. "what we should be doing is loving and showing mercy. Also if the whole law hangs on the commandments of love, for that is the most important law, then it stands to reason - at least to me - that all sin stems from the lack of love and/or mercy." in my reading of the genesis account it seems to indicate to me that all sin stemed from not listening to God because of deception...so one can sin, not out of a lack of love or mercy but out of complete ignorance...we all make mistakes because we are imperfect...He didn't make us perfect the account says that He made us "good". I'll talk to you later about this some more because I think there is more to discuss about the legal requirement that the israelites "understood" but I have to go now. love michelle
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  101

  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  dear designs...

  is isaiah 9:6 a 'message' of hope, peace and reconciliation in this life among all peoples? if so, how is it metaphor for something?...did God just suggest an extremely specific good idea without actually giving the jewish people the means?...or...does it speak of an actual person setting up a government of peace and reconcilliation?...who?...between whom?...why?...where?

  love michelle
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  101

  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  myelaine

  dear Tammy...

  "Out of love for us, Christ wanted to carry our sins on him... so he could make amends for us, because we are not in a place to understand or make amends for ourselves. We don't know what it is to love - completely, unselfishly, and everyone. We don't know what it is to show mercy to all. We don't understand because we rarely know who to turn to, or who to listen to in order to learn these things to begin with.

  So Christ chose to carry our sins and he made amends for us by:

  a) obeying his Father, showing faith and trust in His Father's will (which is where the ransom/adam/Christ comes into things... but there is so much MORE).

  And this is the more, in my humble opinion:

  b) Christ demonstrated what His Father wants from us - He forgave those who wronged Him, tortured Him, even killed him... and He asked His Father to forgive them as well.

  He made amends for us by showing the mercy and the love that we are unable to show. That was fulfillment of the law. "...

  scripture says that Jesus was set forth as propitiation for our sins not our inability to show love and mercy. (romans 3:24-25)

  we are to have faith in Him in the same way that the israelites were to have faith in the previous "arrangement"...one goat had the sins of the people put on it and it was led out into the wilderness far away so that those sins would NEVER return to the people, and one goat with no blemishes would be sacrificed and it would make for a sweet smelling sacrifice to God. (sins) + the blood of a lamb placed on the doorpost and lintel of your door would make death "pass over " your house. (redemption)...for the Lord to become these sacrifices for us is the love of God through and in Jesus and because a man would take our place for judgement before His Father, there is the "legal" fulfillment of the law. Jesus had mercy on humanity who are unable to be "without blemish" according to the law because He loved us...His children: hebrews 2:13-18, john 1:12, isaiah 8:16-18.

  love michelle
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  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  dear PSacramento...

  I used the word "motive" because love and compassion should be the motive that leads the leaders to lead faithfully, but the scriptures say that they were leading not faithfully (toward God) and not with mercy (toward the people) but were interested in getting a good name for themselves.

  Jesus was motivated by love and compassion but more importantly He was motivated by TRUTH...He didn't tolerate their motives, He condemned the leaders and their motives but also leaving room for them to come to Him during their life and escape eternal condemnation.

  ...if Jesus is our exemplar He leads the way in stating that He rebukes those He loves. In the evangel ministry(most of the time), if you are telling a person about Jesus and why He was sent, you are confronting error and rebuking it...

  dear designs...

  are the jewish people waiting for a Messiah/King/Leader? or critique this please-

  For unto us a Child is born,
  Unto us a Son is given;
  And the government will be upon His shoulder.
  And His name will be called
  Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
  Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (isaiah 9:6)

  love michelle
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  Is Forgiveness Overrated?

  by leavingwt in

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  is forgiveness overrated?.

  if i'm being completely honest with myself, there is a short list of folks who i haven't forgiven.

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  dear Terry...

  you keep equating forgiving with forgetting...why is that?

  love michelle
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  101

  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  myelaine

  dear PSacramento...

  you stated to our tec: "I love your posts because they speak of the teaching of Christ in the best and only way possible, liek HE preached them- Love, compassion, tolerance and accepteance of ALL, not because we HAVE to or because we are COMMANDED to, but because of the Love of Christ that is in Us."...

  did Jesus really preach acceptance of the motives and actions of ALL? the scriptures say that He was intolerant of the actions of the leaders in the temple and the scriptures go on to say that He condemned the leaders personally, calling them (not their actions) a brood of vipers?

  another thing that Jesus preached/taught was that God can not accept everyone into His everlasting habitation because some have condemned themselves. john 3:16-18

  (iow...big snake/little snake)

  love michelle
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  Is Forgiveness Overrated?

  by leavingwt in

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  is forgiveness overrated?.

  if i'm being completely honest with myself, there is a short list of folks who i haven't forgiven.

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  dear Terry...

  you asked: "If mankind is wretched, depraved, corrupt and deserving of death--ON WHAT POSSIBLE BASIS can their low standard of thought and conduct be rewarded as though the offense were nothing?"...

  -In the eyes of God, because we turned from His "recommendation" to follow our own course to death, we are deserving of death...NOT because we are wretched, depraved and corrupt.

  -However living with and according to the law of death (apart from renewed communion with God) mankind is increasingly more wretched, depraved and corrupt.

  Therefore Jesus can ask the Father to forgive "them" for they know not what they do(wretched, depraved and corrupt) and be the "conduit" for that forgiveness by renewing believers to life through Himself. (if the "offense" were nothing then it wouldn't have to be paid for at such a high price, mortal life for mortal life)

  love michelle
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  Be honest...What movie star do you look like?

  by Botzwana in

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  i am curious as to what the members here look like.

  be totally honest now.

  not everyone looks like a knockout or mr. buff.... .

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  dear aquagirl...

  maybe this thread will help you.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/forum/tech-support/170489/1/How-to-Post-an-Image-on-JWN

  love michelle
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  Barbara Anderson's fancy new website

  by Dogpatch in

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  check it out!.

  very nice look and feel, though not all the downloads are linked properly yet.. http://watchtowerdocuments.com.

  randy.

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  myelaine

  about the misspelling of Maria Russell...it is spelled with 2 l's on the cover of the book, "The Writings of Maria Russell" and I noticed some time back that hand-written on an old picture of C.T. Russel's son, that his name was spelled with 2 l's as well. I wonder why C.T. spelled his name differently or maybe it was misspelled by other people? hmmm...maybe the picture was of Malcom Rutherford and the caption identifies him as C.T.Russell's secretary?

  the new site does look very elegant
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  2010 CHRISTMAS CARD EXCHANGE

  by blondie in

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  i will volunteer to coordinate this.. if you would like a card sent to you or send a card, pm me your mailing address and a name the post office will deliver to.. what do you think the cut off date should be for sending the exchange lists out to everyone?.

  do you want it pm'd or e-mailed (if emailed send your email address with your snail mail.. i know that cards going overseas can take longer.. .

  blondie.

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  myelaine

  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2097420&id=1110889045&l=0d2e69defd one week ago I would have never been able to do this so fast...(at all )