dear Tammy...
you said: "Same nature. Not the same being."(said of the Son)...
would you say the same about the Holy Spirit? (the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.john 14:26)
love michelle
myelaine
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The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.
by whereami ingotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.
it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.
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The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.
by whereami ingotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.
it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.
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dear saltyoldlady...
you said: "Starting in Verse 34 - Jesus answered them "Is it not written in your Law, I said (the "I" there is referring to Jehovah's dialogue with them) You are gods?" If He called gods those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scriptures cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said I am God's Son. (There are two points I glean from this dialogue - one what he actually said was, he was God's Son, not God the Almighty Creator, and two - that men can and were referred to as gods without this idea of equality in stature, rank, deity, or whatever being attributed to them.)"...
God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
How long will you judge unjustly,
And show partiality to the wicked? Selah
Defend the poor and fatherless;
Do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy;
Free them from the hand of the wicked.
They do not know, nor do they understand;
They walk about in darkness;
All the foundations of the earth are unstable.
I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
Arise, O God, judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations.one could ascertain that Jesus quoted this scripture because these were infact being unjust in deciding that He Himself should be stoned to death...in psalm 82:1-8 they were called "gods" because they held a position of authority as judges over ones life or death regarding the penalty for sin...in this case stoning for perceived blaspheme against God in calling Himself Son of God.
Jesus said that the leaders sat in the seat of moses(in regard to the law)...they sat in the judgement seat...(aaron sat in the seat of a priest.)...the Son of God rightly sits in the seat of both judge and priest forever.
love michelle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kreSbagj_RM&feature=player_embedded
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by wha happened? ini know this is an old topic but i'm in need of some catch up.. an old friend of mine lives nearby.
she is the youngest sibling to some active jw's that i know.
i was asked to kinda keep an eye on my friend as she has major health issues and past substance addiction issues.
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you're welcome!...here is jwfacts.org's info too.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical
xo
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by wha happened? ini know this is an old topic but i'm in need of some catch up.. an old friend of mine lives nearby.
she is the youngest sibling to some active jw's that i know.
i was asked to kinda keep an eye on my friend as she has major health issues and past substance addiction issues.
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dear wha happened?...
cheetos posted these links about three yrs ago...
http://www.ajwrb.org/basics/abstain.shtml
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/12/reacting_to_jehovahs_witnesses_refusal_t_1.php
http://www.macgregorministries.org/jehovahs_witnesses/bewareofwt/protect.html
...Randy's site isn't very co-operative today!...
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical
love michelle
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Prayers for my daughter, Ali, not a good update
by coffee_black inmy last update on my daughter was so good...but it didn't turn out that way.
she was cleared to go back to work, but with limitations... she couldn't lift more than 10 pounds.
her employer wanted her back but wouldn't agree to the lifting restriction.
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...xo
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maybe he wanted a picture of a well.
http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/906/2407736130015600326S600x600Q85.jpg
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How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?
by Terry inthis is a real puzzler.. for christendom at large there is no problem in thinking of humans as a body (tent) which houses the soul.. for jehovah's witnesses the human is the tent.
no soul is contained.
(they make "soul" the same as body.).
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dear MrFreeze...
you asked: "If we are completely gone but are recreated, are we technically even the same person?"...
I think to God we would be the same person even if we don't have memory of our "being" previously...having the same state of "being" as we did at the first death ie: justified, just or unjust would be the continuity of our mortal person at birth...but again it is our state of "being" at death which is what is important to God...eccl. 7:1...proverbs 15:30...who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
love michelle
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How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?
by Terry inthis is a real puzzler.. for christendom at large there is no problem in thinking of humans as a body (tent) which houses the soul.. for jehovah's witnesses the human is the tent.
no soul is contained.
(they make "soul" the same as body.).
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I read in the newspaper recently that the myths built up around various gods can be correctly identified as dead religions...(or something like that)
I've also read that the Spirit gives life everlasting through Jesus Christ.
xo
p.s. some might call it guessing but I believe that with study of the bible and the Holy Spirit leading into all truth there can be found some interesting answers to complex questions. I would have to say that to reiterate or clarify what I said in my previous post: I believe that the resurrection of the justified, just and unjust started around the time of the incarnation and those who God had justified by faith previously immediately received and still immediately receive the Good News with joy and were/are quickened at their "second death"...rev 20:6...
those who were/are not justified by God but were/are resurrected as just will eventually receive the Good News with joy...those who were/are resurrected as unjust may eventually receive the Good News with joy too or...revelation 21:7-8
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How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?
by Terry inthis is a real puzzler.. for christendom at large there is no problem in thinking of humans as a body (tent) which houses the soul.. for jehovah's witnesses the human is the tent.
no soul is contained.
(they make "soul" the same as body.).
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dear Terry...
you said: "For Jehovah's Witnesses the human IS the tent. No soul is contained. (They make "soul" the same as body.)"...
accordingly the ones under the altar would be given a white "tent" while they wait for the completion of their number(rev.6:11)...at the same time they had washed their "tents" in the blood of the Lamb(rev 7:14)...and of course Jesus Himself was given a "tent" too (rev.19:13)when His moral body was quickened by the Holy Spirit in/through resurrection.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't seem to understand or accept that the human vessel is presently a container for the intellect of the soul...when Jesus' mortal body died, the intellect of the soul wasn't dead He was able to preach to the spirits in hell(1 peter 3:19)...before His resurrection the just and the unjust (both the body & spirit of the individual) were asleep in death(able to be awakened)...it seems that justified and just are two different "states" of being...ie. cyrus the persian was just to the hebrews but he wasn't justified by God(?)
after the resurrection of Jesus Christ Abraham was "justified/quickened by the Holy Spirit" because of his unwavering faith(apparently moses wavered elijah did not), just like all believers since that "time": acts 13:39, rom 3:20, rom 3:24, rom 8:30, gal 2:16)
1 tim 3:16...
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.it is the intellect of the soul or spirit that is given a "tent" "robe" or body (house: isaiah 38:1, luke 18:14) SINCE the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
interestingly pauls "job" was a tent maker!...by teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ he was "preparing" the people, so to speak, to "set their house in order" so as to apprehend the "tent" at death.
love michelle
p.s. job knew that his mortal body would some day stand on earth but there is no evidence that he would be aware that he was "job". so the "in the memory of God" theory + resurrection (of the JW's) has no scriptural support...unless I've missed it and I'd be pleased to see it if it's there. the only thing close to their theory is when God says that He knew jeremiah in his mothers womb...but God knows jeremiah from beginning of life to end of life (just like He knows all of us!)so that doesn't really count.
