How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?

by Terry 31 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Terry
    Terry

    This is a real puzzler.

    For Christendom at large there is no problem in thinking of humans as a body (tent) which houses the soul.

    For Jehovah's Witnesses the human IS the tent. No soul is contained. (They make "soul" the same as body.)

    For Christendom at large the human body dies, corrupts and returns to dust while the soul goes to reward in heaven (or that other place).

    For Jehovah's Witnesses the human body IS the person. Death is end. However, in some very creative brain-storming, the remarkable FDS has channeled

    Jehovah's solution to the destruction of humanity: a GREAT MEMORY!

    It seems a resurrection is not precisely that. The anastasis (standing up) out of the graves will not happen.

    Jehovah will cobble together (from Memory) a new batch of fresh bodies consisting of the replica DNA including already in place MEMORIES, PERSONALITY and IDENTITY.

    Humans aren't really spirits if you are a JW.

    But, oddly, there ARE such things as spirits!

    Jehovah is a spirit. Man is made in god's likeness. But, I guess, the spirit (which is exactly what Jah is) they are not.

    Confusing? Or, just deliberate interpretational non-conformity?

    Jesus WAS a spirit (he use to be the archangel Michael until the Watchtower gave up on it) TRANSFERRED to the ovum of human MARY.

    So, Jesus BECAME the human that ADAM had been. Except for one important matter: ADAM (according to the Watchtower) HAD NO SPIRIT or soul.

    Isn't this a bit of a problem for their consistency of belief?

    Adam=body with no spirit or soul.

    Jesus (the 2nd Adam) body+spirit.

    The Watchtower Society tries to avoid this problem by saying "Jesus life force was transferred". How is that different from saying "spirit" or "soul"?

    The resurrection of Jesus requires the Watchtower to become creative in order to appear consistent.

    The human body in the tomb vanishes and Jesus (now resurrected) is said to be walking and talking.

    For Christendom, Jesus actual human body is walking and talking. He even has the crucifixion scars to prove it!

    But, for the Watchtower this can't be allowed! Why? It messes up their contrarian explanation!!

    Angels (Demons) who were spirits came down to earth in the days of Noah (according to Watchtower doctrine). They had sexual relations with

    human women. HOW? The Watchtower gives us special effects explanations! Apparently angels have the same CREATOR powers as Jehovah himself.

    They CREATE human bodies! The Watchtower uses the word "materialize" as though they can avoid the implications of creating a human body!

    The penis obviously worked so it wasn't a magic trick or illusion. The testicles worked and the semen worked and their was actual DNA involved OR ELSE HOW DID THE WOMEN BECOME PREGNANT?

    How did Angels possess the exact same creative genius as Jehovah? Sperm that works!! The human genome responded to angel DNA!! Wow!

    When the FLOOD came and drowned the Angel-Demon human bodies the Watchtower tells us what? Their SPIRITS were chained in Tartarus!

    So, for the humanized demons the flesh was a Tent for a Spirit.

    How is any of this consistent?

    I think it is obvious that the contrarian theology has painted itself in a corner.

    How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?

  • Sapphy
    Sapphy

    Oh man. Now you've triggered that kingdom song "fear not those who kill the bodeeeeee, but cannot destroy the soullllll" in my mind.

    They believe a non personal life force actuates the body. I also love the knots they get in if you ask about how the word of god is so sharp it can divide soul and spirit...

  • JustHuman14
    JustHuman14

    A more simple explanation of WT's dogma:

    A Person named Justhuman dies

    God remembers ALL the information regarding that person, how he looked, his personality, temper, character

    God is acting like a Super Computer and stores in His hardrive all the information of Justhuman

    God resurrects - actually makes a new body for Justhuman that has all the physical characteristics of that person and inserts in the newly created brain all the information that was stored in His hardrive(like copy-paste)and there we have the resurrected person known as Justhuman

    So JW's hope is to be copied and pasted into a newly created body

  • therevealer
    therevealer

    It is problematic indeed. Regardless of how god does the replecation, even if just by remembering, it suggests that something never goes away/dies.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    '"Jesus life force was transferred". How is that different from saying "spirit" or "soul"?'

    The watchturd society believes that the human body life force is some kind of electricity. By reversing from there, back to prehuman jesus and his socalled life force, michael and the spirits would be animated by the same etherial life force electricity. Reversing a bit more, wt god jehovah is running on the same thing. Watchturders are really 100% materialists, in that they include the spiritual as some kind of material.

    S

  • designs
    designs

    Land's End has a Sale on 10x10 Souls err Tents.....

  • undercover
    undercover

    Why are there no JW R&B bands? They got no soul...

  • Sharpie
    Sharpie

    @justhuman14
    being resesurected from memory is nothing more then being cloned. It may have the same past, thoughts, scars, ideas, thinking pattern, but by definition it is not a contination of you. it's a clone.

  • Violia
    Violia

    I can't recall where but doesn't the Bible does say that man's spirit returns to God from which it came- yes or no?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    In wt world, everything is a mechanical construct, except for the god who constructed and animated it all. If someone is remade in the wt resurrection, it's no different to the jws than if a car is rebuilt, or a dozen copies of it cruise off the assembly line.

    S

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