Posts by myelaine

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Reviewing LOGICAL FALLACIES : or how to really prepare for the Watchtower Study

by Terry in

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/904a4d.

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click on the above and try each icon for a pithy explanation and example of logical fallacies.

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said:

"Take the unusual word: SIN which was borrowed from Archery practice and referred to inability to hit what bullseye you were aiming at.

A person who first picks up a bow could hardly be expected to hit the bullseye the 1st time, right?

But, watch what happens if we substitute this for what happened in the Garden of Eden with Adam."...

in the "biblical" context all SIN is disobedience to the way of God whether in actions or thoughts. The life of A & E in the garden was likely one of obedience to God until E was deceived into disobedience by an entity outside of herself...

most children are born with a trust in their parents judgement (as to what is good for them) but there always comes a time when the child acts on what they consider their "better" judgement of a situation...this is an act of disobedience.

love michelle

p.s. in the nation of israel it should be noted that they were called to obedience to God and the law...one command was to honour their parents in which there would be a blessing...

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Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear Tammy...

so it only means don't worship any other gods if you are one of His people...and so that all that tearing down other altars was unneccesary and possibly no even a command from God?

Let me suggest that in accordance with scripture, God absolutely detested the presence of other gods in the midst of His people and where ever He directed them, His servants were commanded to tear down altars...and they did such a thing wholeheartedly BECAUSE they didn't just give lip service, but they worshipped Him in SPIRIT AND TRUTH. Their spirit detested the very things that God detested. john 4:24

Jesus said, "he who HAS My commands AND keeps them, it is he who loves ME". john 14:21

1 kings 18:21

love michelle

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Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear Tammy...

if you follow your line of reasoning Jesus didn't REALLY "concern" Himself with things like slavery, does that mean TO YOU that that is tolerable in His eyes?

As well...Jesus said: "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father". As a perfect reflection of the Father wouldn't you HAVE to believe that the God of the OT didn't concern Himself with the tearing down of altars either...and therefore the many OT accounts of such a command coming from God are a complete lie?...

When God said "thou shall have no other Gods before me", did He mean that He wants to be the first in a long line of gods, or He doesn't want to see any other Gods tolerated (and celebrated) by His chosen people?

love michelle

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Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear Tammy...

God commanded His servants to tear down pagan altars not celebrate the diversity.

Jesus concerned Himself with teaching about the spirit of the law...it wasn't about the outward man (making a good show in the flesh) it was about the inward man...like, the disciples didn't wash their hands but their hands were clean.

to crucify yourself to the world and live for Jesus involves making your mind over...with the help of the Holy Spirit you learn to detest the things that God detests...Paul said don't let your freedom be a license for vice...to lift up holy hands...put away from yourselves all filth and uncleanness...and of course once you've been washed don't go back to wallowing in the mud...

dear Fernando, are you talking about cheap grace?...something that others deride the catholic religion for...for SOME getting completely drunk with the drunkards on saturday and going to confession on sunday (at least there is a recognition of the seriousness of sin there)...the disciples were taught the deeper things of God in keeping the spirit of the law and then they were sent out by Jesus to baptize and teach others to do all things that He commanded them. Paul taught that a walk with Jesus involves a maturing...not going back again and again to the elemental things of salvation. hebrews 6:6 even states that to do so can be likened to crucifying Christ all over again. 2 cor. 7:10-11 says that godly sorrow produces repentance to salvation (180 degrees) but a superficial repentance leads to death (360 degrees). Fernando, you've got to know that shepherding the flock of God is keeping them from harm (so they can mature) not watching them wander away again and again because one of day they could be raveged by wolves. TEACHING the ways of God is not self-righteousness it is a desire to raise people up to a place where they know they are pleaseing God because they are actually trying to please God...Paul commended the corinthians because his teaching actually caused them to diligently rout the sin in their lives and zealously keep watch or examine what they do.

love michelle

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Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear FHN...

Gods prophets (and Jesus) called people to repentance throughout the entire bible...so whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it less true or needful. (john 3:19)

Call it a different path, or a journey or whatever "spiritual" sounding name you want...God is not asking us to do something we are incapable of. He is precisely calling us TO repent and turn from our own path. The account of philip and the eunich makes it hard to deny that we are encouraged if not expected to repent once we've heard the gospel of Jesus Christ. Part of following Jesus is counting the cost...scripture says you can't remain a friend of God and a friend of the world...you either love what is going on here with all the different gods and lose your soul OR you love the Almighty God. (james 4:4)

it is interesting that you say you don't recognise any one holy book but you freely quote the one that talks about salvation and the Saviour IF and when it suits your "la difference"...which isn't that different from, "surely God didn't say..."

...why are you so easily led by those with a different gospel but brush off the true and complete gospel of Jesus Christ?

love michelle

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Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear FHN...

I don't know why God said that people would be eternally damned. All I can suggest is that to be just the equal measure is eternal salvation for those who turn to Jesus for their salvation.

Scripture says that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. From the beginning this was a requirement. From the beginning man tried to find a way around this...he tried to come into fellowship with God the way he thought was right. (genesis 4:3-5,7)

To be cut off from God and cast into the lake of fire that is created for the devil and his angels after God has given you warnings and pleaded with you for all these generations would NOT be unfair on His part. It would however be fait accompli for satans part..ecclesiastes 9:12...as he is a liar from the beginning..."surely God didn't say"...

(the life is in the blood...rev 12:11)

love michelle

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Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear FHN...

and yet your "common salvation" doesn't see you holding hands with the GB or hitler or the likes of jim jones etc., why is that? All that wrong thinking is going to be forgiven because Jesus was killed too?...Where is the justice for those who have been murdered, tortured or even held captive by those who would do them harm?

Why are you waiting until the revealing of the sons of God before you embrace these who will be your brothers in "common salvation"?

does your personal sense of justice call for a cleaning of the slate or not?

love michelle

p.s. the scripture says that those who will be saved are those who turn to Jesus FOR salvation, have their sins covered by the blood of the Lamb and repent of their wrong doing. A person can choose to turn to Jesus any time during the course of a day but the farther they get away from His salvation the less likely they are to see the need for it. the bible says that God allows people to go their own way after a time...He gives them over to their own "lusts"...what they want,( not what He would choose for them...mainly salvation in Jesus Christ)...the scripture says that when He comes again He will come in judgement : jude 14-15...so the revealing of the sons of God will be with judgement...and then there will be justice served, not as your belief seems to imply...a cleaning of the slate.

90

Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear talesin...

I do believe IN Him.

I also believe WHAT He says.

Jesus was all about DOING the will of His Father. If His Father didn't take kindly to those who would worship false gods WHAT makes you think Jesus did?...God is a jealous God.

I'm a messenger...I tell you words of truth you don't want to hear and you respond however you like...but it comes right down to the fact that we have all been given the light of the gospel and many here have turned away from the Light of the world to PURSUE other paths...and Jesus said: john 3:19-21...

If I didn't care about you or what you were doing I wouldn't say anything...I'd just watch you run wild in the streets, wouldn't I?

love michelle

90

Just wanted to say...

by tec in

jw
friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

myelaine

dear Tammy...

healing of the spirit and the body comes from Jesus Christ. He is the great physician.

this "place" you describe is a lot like the mount where all the baal worshippers met (1 kings 18:20)

How much longer will the God of heaven tolerate this "place" before He brings judgement upon those in its midst?

...seriously, the bible says that God wont be mocked yet for many here that is the prime motivation for meeting in this place, it isn't to bring comfort or to be comforted...the bible clearly portrays this kind of "place" as an abomination...in seems that in Gods economy that is the reality of this "place".

was Jesus wrong to display intolerance towards those who wouldn't repent? (matthew 11:20...)

(the bible says that God gives a certain amount of time to repent then He judges: revelation 2:21-23...Jesus comes like a thief in the night)

love michelle

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Do You Know C.R.A.P. ?

by Perry in

there is no shortage of ex-elders, behelites, ex-circuit overseers on this forum that continue to spout their hatred for christians, even as they did while leading their former adherents down the same path.

the new religion for these preachers of paradise, is materialism.

in their view, science is the arbitrator of truth.

myelaine

dear Nambo...

And Michael cried and said, Come hither, also, ye angels, bring what ye have brought. And Michael was exceedingly grieved, and the angel who was with me, because they did not fill the vessel...And then came in like manner other angels weeping and bewailing, and saying with fear, Behold how we are overclouded, 0 Lord, for we were delivered to evil men, and we wish to depart from them. And Michael said, Ye cannot depart from them, in order that the enemy may not prevail to the end; but say to me what ye ask. And they said, We pray thee, Michael our commander, transfer us from them, for we cannot abide with wicked and foolish men, for there is nothing good in them, but every kind of unrighteousness and greed. For we do not behold them entering [into Church at all, nor among spiritual fathers, nor] into any good work. But where there is murder, there also are they in the midst, and where are fornications, adulteries, thefts, slanders, perjuries, jealousies, drunkenness, strife, envy, murmurings, whispering, idolatry, divination, and such like, then are they workers of such works, and of others worse. Wherefore we entreat that we may depart from them. And Michael said to the angels, Wait till I learn from the Lord what shall come to pass. And in that very hour Michael departed, and the doors were closed...(3 baruch 13)

love michelle