dear New Chapter...
in the 8 years I've been here I've rarely spoken about condemnation(I preach salvation in Jesus Christ)...but I'm not going to deny that Jesus spoke about it as consquence of rejecting Him.
love michelle
myelaine
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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myelaine
dear Tammy...
I believe that paul was talking about jewish believers and gentile believers because that segment on the law (in romans 2:1-16) is sandwiched in between pauls discourse on the righteousness of God REVEALED from faith to faith.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith. romans 1:16-17
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. romans 3:21-26
you said: "The law would be written on anyone's heart... depending upon the nature of the heart"...but the law to the jewish people was also to be seperated for holiness to [their] God...that isn't written on "anyone's heart"...that is written first on the jewish believers heart and then the genitle believers heart...throughout the OT God is calling for the jewish people to RETURN to Him and in the NT the gentile TURNS to God through Jesus Christ.
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that seperated "holiness to God" isn't written on the non-believers heart, at all, is it?...so thelaw isn't written on non-believers hearts...but it IS written in its entirety on a gentile believers heart. ie. seperated holiness to God, justice and mercy...because the spirit of the law IS kept by the same Spirit as Jesus Christ, Who fulfilled that law (but didn't do away with it).
and you said: "and interpretation. Everyone was a believer back then, in some god or another. "...so, are you suggesting that God wrote your "law of love" on the hearts of people who worshipped other gods?...for what purpose would He WRITE on the hearts of those who worshipped idols?...
I wrote:
Scripture says that no one is justified by works of the law but by faith in God and Jesus Christ. Without faith in God it is impossible to please God. That is the impetus behind preaching the gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. There are the saved and the lost...not the saved AND the saved by their own works apart from faith in God AND the lost. (though you seem to believe that you've found a "loop hole" in the book of revelation that completely skirts the issue of salvation IN Jesus Christ alone)
and you said: "No loophole. Mainstream doesn't teach this, and so I understand why you do not believe it."...you're right, the church nor the bible teach what you do BECAUSE the great commission is about being sent to preach the gospel of salvation IN Jesus Christ to the nations...even if one is sent to the farthest point on the earth they are sent to preach the gospel to those who haven't heard it...no one is sent ahead of Jesus Christ to preach that they will be saved by good works. The scripture that you refer to in revelation when preaching that some will be set aside as sheep by their good works is acknowledged as those who haven't heard the gospel but it is in NO WAY representitive of the present company that you preach to. You believe that you have found a loophole that those who have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ but rejected it can slip through and be saved.
you said: "You already make an exception Michelle, for those who have not had a chance to get to know Him... why do you make even that exception?"...where does Jesus indicate that people have the opportunity to get to know Him before making their decision to accept His gift of salvation or reject it?...His disciples were told, "follow Me"...without ANY preamble. scripture states...NOW is the day of salvation(2 cor. 6:1-2)
you said: "Using it [the bible] to teach that Christ and God will send people to hell, no matter that they might have done good to others, is twisting it to serve another purpose... other than to share good news and truth."...I haven't said that God or Jesus is going to send anyone to hell...I've stated that Jesus saves from the present condemnation...that is what Jesus said in john 8:24...man is already condemned...Jesus saves man from that condemnation...that salvation (or not) being the result of an action of the free will.
You have given your listeners here a third option though...they don't have to make a choice for Jesus Christ they are free to reject Him because by their good works alone they may be saved...
love michelle
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The numinous....the transcendent....or the Supernatural? Choose!
by Terry inthere is no thing in nothing but there is everything in art.. faith is art.
belief is art.
ecstacy of the mind is the percussive wave of art as it washes over our consciousness.. .
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myelaine
dear Terry...
you said: "Now we place our feet opon two paths which never cross. The one is concrete, adamant and implacable while the other is deuces wild and endlessly possible of adventure!"...
au contraire...God and the scripture were, until quite recently, above deuces wild...there are still those who believe that scripture is absolute.
love michelle
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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myelaine
dear Tammy...
I believe the comparison is between jewish BELIEVING hearts and gentile BELIEVING hearts...
you seem to suggest that God writes SOME of the law on SOME non-believing hearts that aren't "stony" ...but you have to understand that the spirit of the written law didn't just include justice and mercy(characteristics some non-believers do display)...it contained the certain unquestioning seperation of the people from the surrounding nations for holiness to God...they were chosen by God tobe seperated under the law from everyone else.
that seperated "holiness to God" isn't written on the non-believers heart, at all, is it?...so thelaw isn't written on non-believers hearts...but it IS written in its entirety on a gentile believers heart. ie. seperated holiness to God, justice and mercy...because the spirit of the law IS kept by the same Spirit as Jesus Christ, Who fulfilled that law (but didn't do away with it).
Scripture says that no one is justified by works of the law but by faith in God and Jesus Christ. Without faith in God it is impossible to please God. That is the impetus behind preaching the gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. There are the saved and the lost...not the saved AND the saved by their own works apart from faith in God AND the lost. (though you seem to believe that you've found a "loop hole" in the book of revelation that completely skirts the issue of salvation IN Jesus Christ alone)
That is why I suggest to you that the passage in matthew speaking about the sheep and the goats is talking about believers(warning them)...because though they had the law written on their hearts (both groups called Jesus Lord) both groups didn't fulfill the spirit of the law; that indwelling Spirit would have been urging them to "minister" to the needs of these people...just like Jesus did but, only the sheep who were led by that Spirit responded. The goats, though they professed Jesus as Lord, didn't allow themselves to be led by that Spirit...they had a "mind of their own"...like a stubborn goat. In this scripture there is agreement with what Jesus said about some who thought they were saved but are told to get away...Jesus never knew them.
The bible itself is a tool inspired for ministry of the gospel, it isn't a tool to reassure non-believers they can be saved by good works.
love michelle
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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myelaine
dear Tammy...
you said in your post 11923 on page 15: " Some have the law written upon their hearts."...
who wrote it upon SOME PEOPLES hearts?...God is no respecter of persons (acts 10:34). He would have written it on every non-believing heart or no non-believing heart.
could you be wrong in your understanding?...could scripture simply be comparing believing jews who have the written law with believing gentiles who show the same work of the law written on their hearts?...the same values contained in the spirit of the law...those of beingseperatedforholinesstoGod AND justice tempered with mercy? romans 2:11-16...scripture indicates that the only way for a gentile to be seperated for holiness to God is by Jesus Christ.
love michelle
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Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?
by AGuest inin a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.
in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).
that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.
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myelaine
dear New Chapter...
thank you for the complementary things that you've said, and thank you for understanding, quite clearly, my pov.
dear Tammy...
I have said that I believe that AGuest loves an entity and hears a voice that she calls her lord...I think that she is being deceived by a demon and she disseminates the teaching that that entity gives her.
I have said that I think that you are being deceived by that same demon, whether directly or through AGuest I don't know...but I don't think that you "follow" it and I've never said that. In fact, I've mentioned more than once that I think that you follow or display your own values and characteristics which are kind and nice...they appear to us all to be Christ-like.
But this is why I think you are being deceived. scripture states that when you are in Christ you are crucified with Him and it is no longer you that lives but Christ lives in you(gal 2:20)...and that God works to reveal His Son in you(gal 1:16)...and that you have put on Christ (gal 3:27)...and that Christ is being formed in you (gal 4:19) scripture also states that there is one Spirit of Christ and if that same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you...you are His. (romans 8:9,11). You have been deceived into believeing that AGuest has that Spirit of Christ without God having displayed any of His power in making her over to be of or reveal the same Spirit AS Christ. She admits that she is not like Christ but that she tries..."oh, how she tries but,..." she says. The truth is this...Jesus says, "If you abide in Me, I will abide in you." (1 corinthians 12:13)
You have testified that you are in union with the same "christ" that AGuest is in union with...and that is where you are deceived. That "spirit" is not the Spirit of Christ...your own character and values are closer to the Spirit of Christ...but, for some reason which is only known to you, you have allowed yourself to be blinded and you favor the "spirit" or entity that AGuest witnesses to.
dear AGuest...
I trust that other people that have checked out your site are reporting the truth of what they have seen...I didn't need to go there myself to comment on things they have posted here. I can also surmise who some of the people are who are over there waiting on your "word"...they did the same thing here.
dear OUTLAW...
I wasn't including you with those I am concerned about...I was speaking about those who are lapping up that which is falsely called knowledge...those who are making spiritual alliances, conflicting "spirits" joining house to house, so to speak, under the pretense of being of the same spirit as Christ. This is what worries and concerns me...a diplomatic agenda to gather people together under a false christ...to receive the mark of the beast.
I am not purposefully attempting to be critical of AGuest...I want to warn her as much as anyone else. It is the "spirit" that she witnesses to, that has aligned itself with her that I seek to expose as a false christ.
love michelle
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Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?
by AGuest inin a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.
in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).
that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.
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myelaine
dear Chariklo...
it sounds like you go there and get the same atmosphere that you find in a church...but in the case of that forum it is reverence for all things "spiritual".
dare I say that some people might even check in "religiously"...more often than they would a church because there is no accountability to those "outside" that mindwarp...if you are one to bow and scrape before AGuest...would you invite someone you respected from "outside" to check in there?...how about your boss, or a priest from your church?
I have no desire to accept the mark of the beast, which is what AGuest's forum no doubt hands out with it's *diplomacy wrapped in pseudo christian "spirituality"...
flee from her...(1 timothy 6:1-2, 20-21)
*The art or practice of conducting international relations, as in negotiating alliances, treaties, and agreements.
love michelle
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Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?
by AGuest inin a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.
in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).
that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.
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myelaine
good morning...
one of the things that I am concerned about regarding the new areopagus that AGuest and tec "set up" is the fact that that IS their place to meet with others and share their "faith(s)". acts 17:21
I wonder what these people would do if the internet went down forever...where would these people go to gather with like-minded individuals?...they have rejected true and honest fellowship with the mainstream church. I know AGuest and co. have been building their "church" on sand, essentially. the internet is indispensable to their fellowship. Jesus built the church on peter and wind and rain has not washed it away...the fellowship IS without the internet. ephesians 2:19-22
they have both faith and trust in their marketplace of ideas now but will they be ones who are lamenting?...1 corinthians 3:9-17...revelation 18:14,17
love michelle
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She Lost Her Man
by compound complex in.
she peers into a water whose blackness is obsidian, whose depth is leagues greater than that of an atlantean trench that swallows, to this day, unwary mariners in search of mysterious ports of call.. is it a wandering lost love whom she seeks, him in search of el dorado, a hidden city of overgrown ruins, an impassable verdure that beckoned a foolish man to abandon home and hearth and true love?.
the woman looks in vain: dark water cannot be fathomed any more so than the fickle heart of a lover who abandoned her when seduced by elusive, temporal riches that whispered from below .
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myelaine
If you could read my mind love
What a tale my thoughts could tell
Just like an old time movie
'Bout a ghost from a wishin' well
In a castle dark or a fortress strong
With chains upon my feet
You know that ghost is me
And I will never be set free
As long as I'm a ghost that you can't see
If I could read your mind love
What a tale your thoughts could tell
Just like a paperback novel
The kind that drugstores sell
When you reach the part where the heartaches come
The hero would be me
But heroes often fail
And you won't read that book again
Because the ending's just too hard to take
I'd walk away like a movie star
Who gets burned in a three way script
Enter number two
A movie queen to play the scene
Of bringing all the good things out in me
But for now love, let's be real
* I never thought I could ACT this way *
And I've got to say that I just don't get it
I don't know where we went wrong
But the feelin's gone
And I just can't get it back
If you could read my mind love
What a tale my thoughts could tell
Just like an old time movie
'Bout a ghost from a wishin' well
In a castle dark or a fortress strong
With chains upon my feet
But stories always end
And if you read between the lines
You'll know that I'm just tryin' to understand
The feelin's that you lack
I never thought I could feel this way
And I've got to say that I just don't get it
I don't know where we went wrong
But the feelin's gone
And I just can't get it back~ Gordon Lightfoot~
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Jesus wife fragment is a fake
by Christ Alone inhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/21/gospel-jesus-wife-forgery.
gospel of jesus's wife is fake, claims expertscholar says papyrus fragment believed to provide evidence that jesus was married is a modern forgery.
karen king from harvard university holds the papyrus fragment that has four words written in coptic, which are believed to prove jesus was married.
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myelaine
dear Tammy...
you said: "But Christ did make those statements about those who did good to even the least of his brothers; and the sheep entering the kingdom did NOT know Him, but did all the things that He asked of us. So they do have the law (which is of love) written on their hearts."...
it wasn't that these didn't know Jesus (at least in the sense that you are suggesting), Tammy. both addressed Jesus as Lord...they did do things as doing it unto Him or they didn't do things as doing it unto Him
the natural "law" that God found when searching the heart of man is more in keeping with:"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked"...
in order for some one to have the "law of love" WRITTEN on their heart, someone would have to WRITE over the natural law that God found. Jesus does not impose Himself on anyone or their heart...
given that the intention of Jesus IS to glorify God, the FIRST law ever written on the heart of a believer is love the Lord GOD and then the one just like it...love your neighbour as yourself.
love michelle