Posts by myelaine

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Fallacies about Faith

by tec in

jw
friends

peace to you!.

this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

You said: " And what's the problem with that? HOW ELSE should a community decide on what laws to implement, aside from using community-based standards"...well the problem would be the majority view would logically have greater decision making power and so given the decline in morals and fickle values displayed in american society...those in the minority (or even those with very strict codes of conduct) who don't want to be involved in the decline would be powerless to go against the flow of society.

I refer to the noahide laws because unlike the laws of moses they are not culturally or religiously specific...being the laws for mankind.

dear Island Man...

you said: " The bible - religion - is not the source of objective morality but only a means used by religionists to motivate others to follow the pre-existing moral code." I'm not sure what you mean by the pre-existing moral code...do you mean the natural code...Survival of the fittest? I would question whether the possibility of anything close to a code outside of the close familial unit. Look at times of limited chaos in america (riots) to see how quickly any code is thrown out the window. ordinary people will loot and vandalise because they can. The reality seems to be that there is only a very thin veneer of civility on civilization. At least the bible has the starting point of an eye for an eye to inject some objective equality instead of survival of the fittest.

love michelle

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Fallacies about Faith

by tec in

jw
friends

peace to you!.

this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

myelaine

dear Island Man...

I think the arguement is that without an objective foundation (God's law) then all attempts to outline "moral regulations" are subject to the bias or lack of bias in those making the laws.

an extreme example might be that pedophiles(sp?)might get traction in their attempt to redefine that act as a sexual orientation...no better or worse than any other sexual orientation. Morality and a productive and considerate set of values becomes subjective...and before you know it every objection is met with the label "intolerant" until values and morality don't mean anything anymore...we can see this to some extent in society today in peoples objection to the teaching of islam. People object to the teaching of mohammad and the fact that he is held up as the exemplar of that faith. To draw attention to the things that he taught as objectionable to WESTERN values(as being the absolute will of allah for all mankind for all time) will result in being labeled intolerant. their "law" or morality and value system is subject to mohammad's teaching...not what is a commonly accepted western moral and value "platform". It's crazy...their "system" is flawed by our standards but already we have dropped the ball in MAINTAINING the system we had in place and so we as a society have to reap the consequences of the fact that we can not get the genie back in the bottle, so to speak. One persons freedom is another persons captivity.

love michelle

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Fallacies about Faith

by tec in

jw
friends

peace to you!.

this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

myelaine

dear Tammy...

your explaination about "law of love" that you refer to a lot in conjunction with your interpretation of the sheep and goats scripture doesn't make sense.

the law will be written on the hearts of people who believe in God, written by God. It isn't what's in a persons heart naturally. When the scripture talks about love being the summation of the law and the prophets etc...the first and most important was about loving God...even in the OT loving God first was THE motivation to inculcate the other laws into your heart.

in the NT a scripture that reflects this thought is found in 2 john 4-6 ...this is love that we walk according to His commandments, walking in truth as we received commandment from the Father. (The love that God commands is first love Him so that we can walk according to TRUTH and then we love each other.(refering to those in the body of Christ) truth and true love go hand in hand. the "law of love" that you talk about seems to be an attempt on your part to "allow" for people the OPTION of not making a decision for Christ at this time. The gospel message in context is about this IS the day of salvation. You're sending a very subtle message when you teach this message and at the same time say "the spirit and the bride say come"...what could be nicer after a high control cult? Someone intamating that no decision is required...it's cool with your lord as long as those, who chose not to make a decision, are nice to the least of His brothers...that is why what you teach is an anti-christ message. It's perfect for priming peoples hearts to accept THE anti-christ...he's all about peace and not repentance and turning to God too.

with the gospel message and the great commission in mind do you really think that Jesus sent you ahead of Himself to preach that He's going to give an anti-christ teaching a free pass? I'm serious, do you realise what you are doing?

love michelle

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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?

by Perry in

the one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.

can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.

most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.

myelaine

Oh goody...

Perry and tec basicly agree about some event that, at best, can only be approximated as to time, sequence and actual content.

Perry, have you forgotten that tec does teach that (other) people don't have to make a decision for Christ?...that is an anti-christ teaching. 2 john 7:11

wow...

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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?

by Perry in

the one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.

can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.

most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.

myelaine

scripture indicates that even those who have turned to Jesus for salvation can loose their salvation by turning away. It is entirely consistant with a JUST God. Yes, it is entirely consistant with scripture that those who have denied the Lordship of Jesus Christ are cast off even if they treat His brothers well. The NT is all about a PERSONAL salvation in Jesus Christ or you're lost.

even moses and the entire generation that went out of egypt perished without seeing their "inheritance"...the land that God gave them!

Unbelief is a sin...john 8:24...it is the spirit of anti-christ, tammy.

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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?

by Perry in

the one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.

can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.

most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.

myelaine

It is completely consistant with other scriptures that these ones Jesus is talking to considered themselves christians but didn't "behave" like a person who has the indwelling Spirit enabling them...they remain carnal (2 timothy 3:1-5 these behaviours are happening in the christian congregation...brother against brother) and because of that they were cast off as goats And not inheriting the kingdom that was promised to those in the covenant.

If people can enter the kingdom by treating the brothers of Jesus Christ well then the core gospel message, "come to Me"... is largely irrelevant.

love michelle

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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?

by Perry in

the one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.

can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.

most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.

myelaine

Dear Tammy...

these are your words which basicly restate what I had said you teach, " The parable of the sheep and the goats has to do with those who are not the brothers of Christ, but who did good to even the least of his brothers, and are granted entrance into the Kingdom as subjects of that Kingdom. Those are Christ's words, not tammy's"...

you read that Jesus is talking to those who are not brothers of Christ but, the scripture clearly says that these are rewarded with an inheritance. The inheritance that is conferred on those IN the covenant.

love michelle

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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?

by Perry in

the one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.

can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.

most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.

myelaine

I don't think any one of you has ever objected to Tammy's teaching that people are forgiven and saved by being nice to people who are in the covenant.

why the shift in policy if it's a GB that teaches it?

love michelle

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1 John 4:8 God is Love?

by braincleaned in

in context of john 4, the love of god is manifest in that he has sent his only begotten son into the world, that we might live through him.. my questions are:.

where is there any hint of love that would justify the killing of animals for sacrifice, then.

leading to a human sacrifice?.

myelaine

dear Tammy...

you said: " Death entered through Adam... Life comes through Christ."...

actually sin and death entered the world through adam...covering of sin is with the blood of Jesus Christ and life is through (the resurrection of) His flesh.

that is why as I had tried to explain to you before, we are to partake of the wine AND the bread.

love michelle

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BLOOD POLICY__Just good manners? Yes! To be "socially acceptable."

by Terry in

is there anybody harder to deal with than hardcore and old-fashioned persons confirmed in their own ways?.

even though these people know times, customs and laws have passed them by and younger folk don't think and act the old ways --they hold the old views, prejudices and disproved stereotypes as absolutely correct anyway!.

think about how stubborn people can be and how impossible it is to get along with them--especially if you cross them, offend them or incite them unnecessarily!.

myelaine

(A quick aside)

"It was not something for us to worry about today because we are long past offending Jews. "

ummm...us who, Terry?

the account deals with gentile christians offending jewish christians, not athiests and agnostics offending jews.

if you think about it, now a days it's you who are offended...

love michelle