Posts by myelaine

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

you said, "No... Again you miss the point. As the Quran says itself, it is meant to be taken with the bible. The bible tells Jesus story, the Quran would not retell it because it was already told... I won't say it again.."..."The people of the book are Christians, and what was revealed to them is the New Testament. The Quran has spoken for itself yet again."...

now, this IS interesting...

In the koran it says (there is no indication of whether Allah is relaying the words of the jinn[angels] or whether Allah is speaking for himself. the ones speaking have this to say)
koran 72:1...the jinn hear what is "the koran" and rejoice.

koran 72:10-11...the jinn don't know what God has in store for the earth or whether God even intends to lead them in right conduct...and admit that their "company" take divergent paths.

in the bible God makes it quite clear what His plans are for both the earth and mankind. The only "jinn" that aren't in on the plan are the fallen angels and those they "inspire".

1 corinthians 2:6-10

love michelle <3

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

myelaine

The bible doesn't say adam was perfect...it says he was good. If he was perfect he wouldn't have sinned.

"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in HIM." 2 cor. 5:21

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

myelaine

The resurrection of the flesh of Jesus...another issue that the koran has skirted.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

myelaine

But it's not really equal...God NEVER had to "purify" Jesus.

adam's death brought corruption of the flesh too. The flesh became nothing...dust.

Psalm 16:10. Jesus' never saw His flesh become "nothing"...as genetic sons of adam we still see our flesh become nothing. There is inequality between adam and Jesus Christ.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

myelaine

dear JD...

the koran may say that Christ's death is equal to adam (?) but the bible doesn't say that. The bible says that Jesus is the second adam...buying back what adam lost.

How can the death of Christ be equal to adam when His death on the cross was able to facilitate for mankind the repurchase of ALL that adam lost, including his life?

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:21

YOU'RE the one stuck in the circular koran argument!!

ie: the koran says this, I believe the koran to be inspired, therefore the koran says this. In my arguments I'm trying to help you see that the koran doesn't say what you'd like to think it says.

love michelle <3

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NAILING DOWN the fraud of John 1:1 by demonstration

by TerryWalstrom in

call me crazy, but i love to watch seminary classes when sharp teachers are in charge of the instruction.. in the following video, the teacher really nails jehovah's witnesses on john 1:1 with utter simplicity.. begin at 1 hour and 20 minutes in.. i've never seen or heard of this before.. .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5qkj7tmbg.

myelaine

dear Terry...

thank you, beloved. I watched the whole video.

love michelle <3

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

myelaine

James 5:19-20

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

myelaine

dear JD...

I referred to our exchange through PM's not these public posts. I said this:

"As much as you keep saying that the koran confirms the scriptures as far as you can see. The koran denies the Fatherhood of God and the Sonship of Jesus. The koran denies that Jesus or anyone for that matter can or did die as propitiation for the sins of mankind. The koran completely ignores the meaning behind the jewish feasts and sacrificial system which was instituted as a means to lead people to Christ eventually (not as simply someone who is called Messiah or Christ or even the Word but, for WHAT He was sent to do which is much more than a Messenger or Prophet). Because the koran ignores this basic foundation and denies the crucifixion and denies the Fatherhood and Sonship it doesn't confirm the scriptures at all.

Because God is reasonable and He askes us to come reason together, what reason might He have to gather together another group of people around mohammad if His purpose was to gather all men to Jesus? (According to the bible)...you see the koran doesn't lead people to Jesus...the koran is emphatic that it is Allah and mohammad who are the ones who should be listened to. All this at a time when the gospel had been preached in that area. It would be perfectly reasonable of God to reiterate to this group that they should turn to Jesus for salvation because that IS God's will and His purpose for sending Jesus but the koran doesn't say any such thing."

...while you answered, yet again, that the koran does use the words Christ and Messiah and you also said the reason for the koran might be that at that time the Church suppressed the bible. You missed the thrust of my argument. The koran uses the titles Christ and Messiah but in the koran these titles don't carry the weight they do in the NT. There's NO meat...just bones. AND to answer to your suggestion that the koran was inspired because the church suppressed the bible...well, I did when asking you why you thought it came about...if it was inspired because the bible was suppressed then it would have most certainly carried the same message of salvation as the bible...but it doesn't, it is in it's entirety anti-salvation. It stands in opposition to the NT Christ and Messiah. It seems to me that the koran arriving when it did is more the MO of a satanic opportunist.

love michelle <3

yeah, your last post is anti-Christ too. You would like to see christians living in fear of being seen gathering together to worship God in freedom, love and unity...you want exactly the opposite of what Jesus prayed for.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

myelaine

dear JD...

you said, "This is true. There is a huge cultural chasm filled with old English and poor verbiage. Elsewhere on these forums I've voiced my opinion that religion should be outlawed. I honestly believe this. Outlaw all religion, and no man will be able to rise up and inspire the crazy people to follow him. We don't have to outlaw the books IMO, just the organizations.

Option 2, outlaw the books too. If God is really there, he won't let this happen amd we can jump start this "end times" deal. But if nothing happens? We can move on in unity and laugh at our naïveté."...

What you are saying is absurd...(1) the fact that there is a breakdown in the unity of belief (religion) is a major reason for the "crazy people" gaining traction...people have itching ears and they want to follow someone who speaks things that resonate with their own ideas...as far fallen as they my be.

(2) a major reason for "crazy" beliefs is the intentional turning away from the foundational scripture...it doesn't mean anything, it isn't "the gospel truth". With the rise of liberal theologians, the bible is merely a jumping off point then it's a kind of free for all...the movement even has a name, it's called "seeker friendly"...

ie: now, with freedom from the self imposed constrains of religion, there are a whole bunch of mini power brokers all vying for a piece of the protestant pie. there's a name for that too it's called "chaos of the cults".

love michelle

p.s. in your response via PM you completely missed the thrust of my argument as you seem to have in this thread as well.