https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
dear Vivian...
you said, "Those people would have died naturally without the tsunami. God allowed incalculable pain and suffering simply so he could have some more company?"...
is it now your contention that "God" caused the tsunami by not preventing it? Or maybe you'd like to just stick to the fact that it was a natural occurance?
dear VI...
you're a deist, you've come to your own conclusions. how would you answer your question?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
"So god allows people to die so that they can be with him, right? Why can they not just live a natural, safe life and be redeemed after they die of old age?"...
I can read in the bible that when God steps in to "stop" something, judgement follows right away. All I can suggest in answer to your question is that it wouldn't have been in the best interest of all mankind for Him to step in at that time because He brings "judgement" with Him.
being "able" to die of old age isn't a guarantee for a good life, or a righteous life. It's a fact that some wax worse and worse as time goes by.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
dear cofty...
you said, "So according to you god drowned thousands of children in the Asian tsunami in order to "deliver them from evil"."...
no, I didn't say that.
God acts toward the "greater good". In the natural occurance of the tsunami, He was able to redeem the situation for His benefit and the benefit of those killed...by delivering those killed...to Himself. Making the death of those people NOT "without meaning" but for the occasion of redemption.
love michelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
dear cofty...
every time God has stepped in to "sort out" the mess of mankind there was judgement involved...when He steps in again there will be judgement involved. As heart wrenching as it is to see our fellow man suffer...the bible does indicate that sometimes in order to keep man for Himself, He delivers them by their physical death. (...lead me not into temptation but deliver me from evil...) I understand that is a hard concept to grasp because it doesn't sit well with us but, it is a concept that had it's origin in the flood...God destroyed in judgement knowing that the children themselves would be led into the evil of their parents. He didn't want the children led into evil by their parents and so He kept them for Himself...He delivered them from evil. I see the same thing in His cleansing of the land by the israelite army and in S&G...He has the best interests of the "innocent" in mind, even if we don't see it or can't see it.
dear Vivian...
confirming something happened is just that. You're making an argument from silence.
love michelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
dear cofty...
the bible is silent on people that don't believe in God. If you wish to see something that isn't there based on peoples opinions, that is your prerogative, isn't it?
that you don't see Jesus as someone who desires to cleanse the earth of negative forces in opposition to the well-being of mankind in general is your prerogative as well...but, that is what the bible portrays Jesus Christ as doing. His agenda isn't as "petty" as you seem to believe...His mission is a worldwide freedom from oppression. I can confidently assume He's actually thinking about the "poor" men, women and children whereas you're not. (Romans 8:20-22)
I'm sorry, it's not all about you.
love michelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
dear cofty...
I don't recall the NT saying anything about punishment for people who believe in no God and as far as punishment for people who believe in the wrong God...the bible says that at the return of Jesus Christ those who are punished willfully deny Him and do not repent. Instead of admitting they were wrong as an act of repentance, they wish that the rocks would fall on them and they seek death. In revelation nothing is said about punishment for casual bystanders either but for those who come up against or oppose Christ and those who have found shelter with Him.
you think I speak gibberish but my comments were not directed to you but to JD. (ie: a firefighter will tell you that to suppress an out of control wildfire, digging a trench and starting a fire is prescribed...it's called fighting fire with fire)
love michelle <3
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dear JD...
Jesus is clear in His commission. in His name and for His sake the christian was sent out to do battle and take captives...NOT negotiate a settlement. (matthew 10:34)
I don't fear being judged by the same measure and in like manner. I fully expect to be judged and that's why I practice discernment. Honestly I don't think that you have been slain by the sword of the Spirit and that's why you aren't captive to it. (Rev. 13:9-10)
Jesus was involved in a spiritual battle, He called us to spiritual battle. mohammad was not involved in a spiritual battle when he received the koran. His battles were entirely physical. You proposing that "perhaps" the koran is misunderstood NOW is a moot point, really. It presupposes that Jesus shares space in the market place of ideas when He said Himself..."My kingdom is not of this world." (john 18:36) the fact that people are making a move to "spiritualize" the koran now only makes the "spiritual enemy" that Jesus spoke of more clear.
love michelle <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
" It's not your place to decide what is or is not anti Christ, or who is wrong or right"...
yeah...and those apostles of Christ...pretty nervy too, hey? by whose authority did they assume to teach and identify anti-christ anyway...Wow...those guys...sheesh.
If only they would have been as modest in their appraisal as you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
dear JD...
I was under the impression that being a christian obligated a person to accept that Christ was right...and that what He taught about forgiveness, salvation, the uncompromising righteousness of God...the gospel...was His final say on the matter.
If you believe that at His return He'll have a different final say that leaves room for other anti-Christ belief (not merely ingnorance) then I don't think you've grasped the seriousness of sin or repentence or the absolute love of the Father for mankind in subjecting His beloved Son TO our sin.
WHERE is the mind of Christ in anything you've put forth in this thread?
the way I see it is that YOU can take a comfy rest from this thread. Jesus and the apostles couldn't. In the face of opposition they laboured. If you so blithly dismiss the final revelation of the gospel in your acceptence of the anti-christ koran too then you'd better be prepared to defend your position...to the shedding of blood...if it is required.(hebrews 12:1-4)
love michelle <3
p.s. picture this...in the field of battle you're all like "whatever you say dude", while I'm getting my head lopped off...YOU are not to be relied upon for christian support of any kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
Lo! the punishment of thy Lord is stern. Lo! He it is Who produceth, then reproduceth, and He is the Forgiving, the Loving, Lord of the Throne of Glory, Doer of what He will.Nevertheless, other passages in the Qur’an qualify Allah’s love significantly. While Allah is said to love those who do good deeds (2:195), those who are pure (2:222), those who are righteous (9:7), and those who fight in his cause (61:4), the Qur’an is equally clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly, the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims:
Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.Notice that 3:31-32 makes Allah’s love contingent on whether a person believes in Muhammad. This is similar to what we find in 19:46, which declares: “Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love.”
Qur’an 30:43-45—Then turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated. Whoever disbelieves, he shall be responsible for his disbelief, and whoever does good, they prepare (good) for their own souls, that He may reward those who believe and do good out of His grace; surely He does not love the unbelievers.
