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  If its good, God did it... if its bad Satan did it....

  by Elsewhere in

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  i've read the bible and i don't recall satan himself actually ever doing anything evil or harmful... however i read many accounts where god killed or tormented countless thousands of people for arbitrary reasons.. aside from prophecies where jehover says that satan will hurt people in the future (hasn't happened yet, and no sign that it will happen), can anyone cite an example in the bible where satan actually harmed anyone?.

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  myelaine

  undercover,
  

  they did die

  doogie,

  Jesus came to show (and make it possible) that the consequence (death) can be reversed for those that truely want the real(complete) fellowship with God.

  michelle

  p.s. spanking and being locked out are consequences, you wouldn't spank a child for being locked out and you wouldn't lock a child out for being spanked. That would be punishment. If God had kicked A & E out of the garden before they had sinned it would have been punishment and unjust. He was perfectly justified in what He did, and we have to live with the consequences.
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  If its good, God did it... if its bad Satan did it....

  by Elsewhere in

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  i've read the bible and i don't recall satan himself actually ever doing anything evil or harmful... however i read many accounts where god killed or tormented countless thousands of people for arbitrary reasons.. aside from prophecies where jehover says that satan will hurt people in the future (hasn't happened yet, and no sign that it will happen), can anyone cite an example in the bible where satan actually harmed anyone?.

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  myelaine

  Undercover,

  If God is not there to "hold your hand" birth would be painful. Eve chose to not have God there with her.

  If you move to a house with an over-grown garden that needs attention to be productive and beautiful again, it is hard work. But did the previous owner neglect it for years just to spite you?

  michelle
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  If its good, God did it... if its bad Satan did it....

  by Elsewhere in

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  i've read the bible and i don't recall satan himself actually ever doing anything evil or harmful... however i read many accounts where god killed or tormented countless thousands of people for arbitrary reasons.. aside from prophecies where jehover says that satan will hurt people in the future (hasn't happened yet, and no sign that it will happen), can anyone cite an example in the bible where satan actually harmed anyone?.

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  doogie,

  Consequences are different than punishments. Adam and Eve were told the Consequence (you will die) before they sinned.

  michelle
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  If its good, God did it... if its bad Satan did it....

  by Elsewhere in

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  i've read the bible and i don't recall satan himself actually ever doing anything evil or harmful... however i read many accounts where god killed or tormented countless thousands of people for arbitrary reasons.. aside from prophecies where jehover says that satan will hurt people in the future (hasn't happened yet, and no sign that it will happen), can anyone cite an example in the bible where satan actually harmed anyone?.

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  myelaine

  Then why did God punish them for it? If my children didn't know the difference between good and evil, I sure wouldn't punish them. I'd teach them.
  

  Princess,

  I am sure God wanted to teach Adam and Eve the difference between good and evil in his own time. Satan pushed the time forward. When he misled A & E he did (almost) irrepairable damage, he caused them to sin. That is why they had to leave the garden, God couldn't be with sin. The world outside the garden was not insulated, God didn't punish A & E, He reiterated the consequences of not being in true fellowship with Him. The earth is not easy to tend, you will now feel pain, equality between the sexes is gone, you will know evil. So therefore because I love you, I will number your days.

  michelle

  Our time spent on this earth gives us ample opportunity to learn the difference between good and evil. We are also given the opportunity to choose good over evil. We are still given that choice away from true (complete) fellowship with God. Why? Because God is just, not wanting any soul to die.
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  Are Christians harmless?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
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  first off....let me qualify something.

  lets keep this to modern day christians in civilized lands.. many on this board are non-believers, and there are quite a number of christians.....so we have a mix.. non believers feel they need to speak out concerning what they have come to understand regarding the bibles authenticity to believers because they feel these ones need to at least see the sceptical side so they can make an honest choice.. believers feel they need to speak out to others concerning what they have come to understand about salvation.

  here's the deal..............if believers can live a happy, good, healthy life, and take this to the grave with them..........should a non-believer try to mess all that up.....or leave well enough alone?.

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  Just seems a shame to live in fantasy land.

  Terry,

  Fantasy land would be a place to go to escape reality, for me being Christian has helped me see and face the real reality. At this point if I was to turn around and go back I would be returning to a fantasy land, an insulated, comfortable place, but still a fantasy land.

  michelle
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  If its good, God did it... if its bad Satan did it....

  by Elsewhere in

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  2. friends

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  i've read the bible and i don't recall satan himself actually ever doing anything evil or harmful... however i read many accounts where god killed or tormented countless thousands of people for arbitrary reasons.. aside from prophecies where jehover says that satan will hurt people in the future (hasn't happened yet, and no sign that it will happen), can anyone cite an example in the bible where satan actually harmed anyone?.

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  myelaine

  Why didn't Noah get those two mosquitoes?
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  If its good, God did it... if its bad Satan did it....

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  i've read the bible and i don't recall satan himself actually ever doing anything evil or harmful... however i read many accounts where god killed or tormented countless thousands of people for arbitrary reasons.. aside from prophecies where jehover says that satan will hurt people in the future (hasn't happened yet, and no sign that it will happen), can anyone cite an example in the bible where satan actually harmed anyone?.

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  ELsewhere,

  Satan brought God's wisdom into question. He personally misled the first couple, who were essentially children. They didn't even know the difference between good and evil.

  michelle
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  Proof of Jesus existance

  by Jew in

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  to all christians, or others, is there any proof of the promised messiah being jesus of nazareth and if so, how can you be sure if he existed?

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  belbab,

  The righteousness of Jesus of Nazareth continues to exist down to our day despite the continual unrelenting forces of opposers determined to extinguish the flames of love and courage that exist in the human heart.

  AMEN, AMEN and AMEN

  michelle
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  What in Heaven's Name is Going On!

  by Blueblades in

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  in a time of fear and mass insecurity, dark religious themes have found an eager audience, not a new one , but, a revealed one.. judgment day, armageddon and the revelation are among the jolly themes now inspiring television shows, hollywood movies, books, even broadway style musicals.. the passion of the christ.

  left behind novels.

  the daughter of god.

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  czarofmischief

  Clearly you've got way too much going on to even notice if the world was going to end. Hope someone cares about you enough to inform you when the sh** hits the fan.

  michelle
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  What in Heaven's Name is Going On!

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
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  in a time of fear and mass insecurity, dark religious themes have found an eager audience, not a new one , but, a revealed one.. judgment day, armageddon and the revelation are among the jolly themes now inspiring television shows, hollywood movies, books, even broadway style musicals.. the passion of the christ.

  left behind novels.

  the daughter of god.

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  Gumby,

  Man HAS the capabilities to destroy himself

  Not to sound like a doomsdayer... You don't, you sound like a realist

  michelle