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  The 2nd Coming has already been proved to be a mistake

  by Terry in

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  while the whole world of christianity waits and longs for the 2nd advent of jesus because it will bring their reward.... jehovah's witness already had theirs!

  they simply declared that "jesus is back!".

  1914 was the date assigned.. true, jesus was invisible.. true, armageddon didn't come.. true, the world went on spinning as before.. but, 1914 was date certain and remains so.. instead, jehovah's witnesses starting treating armageddon the same way mainstream christianity treats the 2nd coming.. it's coming any minute!.

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  dear Terry...

  you asked: "What would a REASONABLE person conclude?"...

  thank you for asking...:)

  It's not out of the question that God could resurrect the generation that pierced Jesus at any time He chooses.

  love michelle
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  How Important is knowing the Truth, Really?

  by cameo-d in

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  is the quest of finding the real truth even attainable?

  is the quest of trying to find out worth the risk and the sacrifice of losing the love of friends and family?

  oh, i know many of you will say the "love" is fake or not true if it can't hold up to scrutinty.

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  dear Terry...

  you said: "It is precisely because we don't have the originals that what we do have IS GUESSes and SPECULATION. Further, it isn't reconstruction from mere copies of originals because we don't even have that! No first generation copies exist either.

  The foundation of original writings was ORAL, you'll recall. So, even the original manuscripts were distillations of verbal communication best described as hearsay."...

  we don't have the originals NOW, but what we have may have been copied from originals and why wouldn't they be?...you're looking for a nefarious conspiracy where there isn't one! The NT says, "it is written"...about Jesus and His ministry, so we can go to the OT and learn about Him and the reason for His ministry. The OT wasn't "oral" like the NT was. So what we need to know about Jesus being the King and Redeemer and only Saviour is "traditionally" written. + paul's letters may have circulated among the churches...they were likely copied not orally transmitted. we're talking about leaders among the congregations that could read and so probably could write as well.

  "A pharmacist will not fill a prescription from a doctor unless they can see the original slip in his own handwriting. You can't walk in with YOUR recopied version and get the pills!" ...that's not what I said...a person will take pills the dr. prescribes relying on him without test results...an educated guess but a guess just the same.

  "You can't offer less than best evidence (originals) in a court of law without stipulation either." hello!...people swear on the bible(word of God) as the highest authority that there is that one could "lie" towards in a court of law. the evidence is only as "good" as the people giving it, really. if someone's motive is to mislead they may do that if they can think they can get away with it. YOU put the motivation to mislead squarely on the shoulders of the church when they gave the best evidence that they had.

  "A recopy of a third and fourth generation verbal remembrance is the best we have which clearly indicates God Almighty was NOT INTERESTED in preserving anything written as a guide for pure worship!" ...I would say that because God works with human beings that die and that have faulty rememberances He's DID use the means best suited to the task. He also said that the Holy Spirit would lead the followers of Jesus Christ into all truth...now if you want to look for a nefarious conspiracy you need not look any farther than those that seek to use THE INVISIBLE as a cover for their misleading ways.

  "The Catholic Church tried always to keep Scripture on the down-low and pump up their own Tradition and Authority instead." ...the RCC turned into some nasty business for a long time but/and even the scriptures refute some of their wrong ideas...surely that says something about their desire to conspire from the get go.

  "The Authority of Official Orthodoxy ruined Christianity and continues to run rampant in Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body." ...not so...Jesus sent out a group to evangelize, productive groups have authoritive leaders. The GB is a whole different ball of wax that (it can be agreed apon) neither holds to orthodox tenents nor practices basic christian "community" of build up and edification...the GB builds ITSELF up and tears everyone else down...you must agree they are quite different that the "modern" RCC?

  "There is simply no "there" there to interpret." ...you miss the point! there is a WHO...and they meet at a there...to do a what...in the name of the WHO.

  love michelle

  p.s. why are the pages all wonky on this thread?
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  Abusive Relationships & Cults: Any Book Recommendations?

  by InterestedOne in

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  can anyone recommend some good books on abusive relationships and how they relate to people joining cults?

  i have heard of steven hassan in the cult area, but what about the abusive relationship aspect?.

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  dear InterestedOne...

  you have a pm.

  xo
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  How Important is knowing the Truth, Really?

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is the quest of finding the real truth even attainable?

  is the quest of trying to find out worth the risk and the sacrifice of losing the love of friends and family?

  oh, i know many of you will say the "love" is fake or not true if it can't hold up to scrutinty.

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  dear Terry...

  you said: "All Scripture---every last shred---is some kind of reconstruction. You can't get interpreted TRUTH from guesses about who said what!"...

  Because we don't have the originals but copies of the originals doesn't mean that what we have is guesses and speculation. we can count on the accuracy in the bible as far as religious faith and morals. some people rely on less accuracy when taking medications prescribed by a doctor who has to wait for test results to be sure that you even have the condition he treated!

  Having faith in God and Jesus by way of what is written in the bible requires trust and you said yourself that you don't have that kind of trust...but honestly, to judge that everyone from God on down to the apostles and the church of today is just out to stick it to you and your life is...ummm...paranoid delusional...(there I said it)

  love michelle
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  They've Called a Snow Day

  by jgnat in

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  no field service in edmonton today.

  twenty centimeters of the white stuff is expected over the weekend, "double whammy to wallop edmonton.

  " our deep freeze winter festival is going ahead as planned, however.. p.s.

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  my friend's patio in castledowns, edmonton...

  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2098189&id=1110889045&l=8e809079cf like eek...
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  Is Forgiveness Overrated?

  by leavingwt in

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  is forgiveness overrated?.

  if i'm being completely honest with myself, there is a short list of folks who i haven't forgiven.

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  dear journey-on...

  you said in post 4649: "I go back to what I said earlier in this thread. You have forgiven when you no longer desire revenge. When you can say, I have let it go and given it to the higher powers for judgement, you have forgiven. That doesn't mean you should accept it or forget it. Just don't keep it in your "accounts" any longer. Write it off!"...

  revelation 6:10 has the saints crying for God to avenge their blood...(it seems they haven't forgotten)...forgiveness is complex.

  love michelle
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  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

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  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  Redeem Israel, O God, out of all their troubles. psalm 25:22
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  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

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  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  myelaine

  dear designs...

  thank you...do you have anything else to add to the discussion?

  love michelle
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  Understanding Christ's Sacrifice

  by tec in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't always understood how christ could have carried our sins for us, and had them forgiven.

  i've sort of understood because that's what people say he did, but the ransom (in a legalistic adam/jesus way) never held weight for me.

  but something recently happened that allowed me to understand.

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  dear Tammy...

  you said: "I don't remember an account saying that He made us "good". He didn't even describe himself as good. I only remember that he carried our sins for us - out of love - but not that this made us "good". "...

  I walk all over the hills and I was way back in the beginning . genesis 1:27 says "So God created man in His own image..."genesis 1:31 says "Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good..."

  I have heard people say that it doesn't matter what you believe about Jesus as long as you believe in Him...I don't believe this to be true, I believe it is very important that you understand the true nature of Jesus in order to have a "saving faith" in Him. Otherwise who is to say that belief in Him is a life or death decision...that statement could even only be a personal opinion. While the bible doesn't come right out and say that God is a trinity it does have scripture that helps the Holy Spirit to lead you to this conclusion. The knowledge of this truth is the "Love of God" spread abroad in your heart, in my experience.(col 3:16)

  If you haven't seen these, perhaps you could set some time aside to listen to the two presentations...open your bible and pray that the Holy Spirit would use the scriptures to lead you into all truth.

  http://jumbofiles.com/y9agdpx30l66/Dr. Walter Martin - Jehovah's Witnesses and the Real Jesus - Part 1.mp3.html and http://jumbofiles.com/ugp6ajhcgthv/Dr. Walter Martin - Jehovah's Witnesses and the Real Jesus - Part 2.mp3.html

  love michelle

  p.s. weatherman says more snow is on the way the kids have lots of fun goofing around in fresh snow, don't they? old snow just isn't as much fun it seems.
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  Is Forgiveness Overrated?

  by leavingwt in

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  is forgiveness overrated?.

  if i'm being completely honest with myself, there is a short list of folks who i haven't forgiven.

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  dear Terry...

  yes...God would forget the sin of the creature if they were covered with the blood of His Son because God the Father wouldn't see the sins when the creature goes to that side of the veil...Would God the Son forget?...He even told His own...keep remembering the flesh, keep remembering the blood...keep remembering what I've done for you and why.

  Can humans forget completely harm others have done...no...but they can forgive...they do not go hand in hand this side of the veil.

  love michelle